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Here is an alphabetical list of famous real estate investment gurus and seminar organizations along with information about them which investors may find of interest. Where I have a relevant product, it is mentioned and linked to the appropriate page. The Federal Trade Commission has a similar page although they are reluctant to name names, but they do identify red flags to watch for at FTC.gov.See John T. Reed's books on real estate investment and his monthly newsletter, Real Estate Investor's Monthly.
By clicking on the guru in question, you can move quickly to the entry in question. When I got into real estate in 1967, there would only have been about ten gurus, all book authors, and all recommended. The all-recommended status continued until Nothing Down author Robert Allen came on the scene in 1979. Ever since, there has been an endless parade of B.S. artists coming into the real-estate-investment-advice field. Fake stories on infomercials. It is an embarrassment to the good people in the business.
If you want me to rate a guru, your best chance is to send me something he or she has written. I will not return it and I cannot guarantee to rate the guru.
Robert G. Allen
Robert A. Blair
Albert Brown, Jr.
CCash Flow Generator
George F. Coats
Creative Real Estate Online (See JP Vaughn)
Marc Stephen Garrison
Global Resource Network
Bill "Tycoon" Greene
HKevin D. Haag
Tyler G. Hicks
JVictoria A. Jackson
Thomas J. Lucier
Nation Wide Real Estate Discounters
Nationwide Real Estate Discounters Corp
H. Roger Neal
Sidney A. Paskow
Real Estate Investment Forum
Real Estate Link
Marshall E. Reddick
John & Greg Rice
Carleton H. Sheets
Simple Mans Guide to Real Estate
Suzanne P. Thomas
Troy Aurelius Titus
US Mortgage Reduction
WMichael T. Warren
Wealth Investment Network
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Here is a link to three emails I received. The first guy refused to give me his name, so I changed the names of the gurus he mentioned. But some of the things he says I heard from other sources. Guru John Beck then saw it and confirmed it so I added his version of the story, which has the actual names of the gurus.
I read his book on Investing in Land and generally liked it a lot. See the entry below regarding Bill Bronchick for mention of a lawsuit by Abalos against Bronchick.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Ridiculous prices ($5,000) and numerous too-good-to-be-true promises. F'get about it.
Author of best-selling books Nothing Down, Creating Wealth, and The Challenge. One-time seminar guru and founder of many Robert Allen Nothing Down clubs around the U.S. Allens advice is generally terrible. Although I did like a chapter he wrote on property-wanted ads. Otherwise, he is little more than a financial publicity stunt man.
My book How to Buy Real Estate for Little or No Money Down photographically reproduces documents from his famous Send me to any city nothing-down deals. The L.A. Times accepted his challenge and made him do them in San Francisco which is near where I live. I went there and got all the documents on each of the seven deals. Some were also done in the county where I live.
On one, which was apparently typical, the documents seem to show that Allen lied to the first-mortgage lenderBank of Americaabout whether there was any secondary financing (there wasa seller mortgage) and about his intention to occupy the San Francisco condo as his principal residence (He lived in Provo, UT at the time and never occupied the SF unit). At that time, June, 1981, when home mortgage interest rates were at 18%, Bank of America would only make loans to owner occupants and prohibited all secondary financing. I have their loan policy for the date in question in the book, too. My wife was a loan officer for Bank of America at the time. [Note to bogus gurus: do not brag about deals that you do not want me to look intoespecially in the San Francisco area. John T. Reed].
At best, you would have negative cash flow following his books. At worst, you would go bankrupt and wind up in jail. He doesnt put it this way, but his nothing-down techniques almost all require you to mislead an institutional lender or take advantage of an unsophisticated seller or both. The president of his Atlanta Robert Allen Nothing Down Club literally went to federal prison (at Eglin AFB, FL) for doing illegal nothing-down deals. There is virtually nothing in his material about how to make a profit. Rather he simply assumes that real estate goes up so much every year that you need only buy it to cash in. Click here for a little story about his association with probate guru Jim Banks.
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Allen himself got into financial difficulty with the IRS as early as 1984. In 1986, IRS filed a $346,395.79 lien against Allen. In September of 1987, when I wrote an article exposing his financial difficulties, he also had:
Allen declared Chapter 7 (total liquidation used when the bankrupt has a negative net worth) bankruptcy in San Diego on July 10, 1996 (Bankruptcy Petition #96-09323-LA). Bankruptcy creditors sometimes get pennies or nickels on the dollar. According toAllens bankruptcy papers, his creditors got nothing. The Initial Meeting of Creditors was held on August 9, 1996. A lawyer tells me that Allen would have been asked quesitons under oath about his assets during that meeting. A copy of the transcript of that meeting would be interesting. It would typically be in the case folder. See my 8/96 article.
The Allens attorney, Richard V. Vermazen, got $2,000 to handle their bankruptcy according to court papers. The Allens were discharged from their debts on 10/17/96. The case was closed with no distribution to the creditors on 10/31/96.
The creditors who were stiffed in the bankruptcy file were:
The Allens may have had other creditors. These were the only ones listed in the bankruptcy court files. Now that Allen is running full-page ads touting his financial skills in theTwenty-First Century, one wonders if he has gone back and paid these creditors like his fellow Provo guru Howard Ruff did after his post-bankruptcy financial rebirth. No one has contacted me to say that he did pay off the creditors he stiffed in the bankruptcy.
In what must have been a weak moment when I was interviewing him for the ’87 article, Allen told me I, “do a great job and that I keep guys like him honest.” I have it on tape (with his knowledge and permission). I won’t take credit for keeping him honestor give anyone else credit for doing that.
I think Allen has an interesting story to tell. But its not the one he sells. He should speak about real estate investment the way a reformed alcoholic speaks about drinking. For cheaper, accurate information on real estate finance, see my books on How to Use Leverage to Maximize Your Real Estate Investment Return and my newsletter articles on finance.
Later, he was sending out an e-mail soliciting customers for a business opportunity that has nothing to do with real estate. As far as Im concerned, nothing he has ever done had anything to do with real estate. It was merely about making Bob Allen rich and famous. I am told that his former associate Marc Stephen Garrison once had a private conversation with Allen that went something like this.
Garrison: I m concerned that our students are not using the real estate investment information were teaching them after the course is over.
Allen: (wearily) Were not in the real estate investmet information business, Marc. This is show business.
If you paid thousands of dollars for one or more of Allens courses, I hope you enjoyed the show. Although I suspect you could have gotten more entertainment at the hottest play or musical on Broadway for a lot less.
Click here to read an email from one of his seminar graduates.
On 9/4/02, a reader told me Allen was back to 65% real estate in his current seminar.
I also heard that Allen was telling people his bankruptcy was caused by an avalanche that destroyed an expensive home he and his wife were building. He tried to pawn that story off on me, too. Here are the details as I recall them. The avalanche occurred around February. But the IRS and the State of Utah had filed liens against him for non-payment of taxes months before the avalanche. Furthermore, I interviewed him by phone about all this and recorded the conversation with his approval.
I asked him what kind of real estate genius, as he was claiming to be at the time, would fail to insure his home. He said he did have insurance against the avalanche. Did you file a claim? Yes. Did the insurance company pay it? Yes. So how did the avalanche cause your financial difficulties if it was fully insured? He then mumbled something about a deductible. Gimme a break. At the time, he was claiming to be a multi-millionaire. Millionaires are not bankrupted by the deductible on their homeowners insurance. Plus there is still the pesky fact that he was in financial difficulty before the avalanche ever happened. And then there is the question of why he was building a mansion in the mountains when he was not paying his state and federal taxes like the rest of us.
Rich Arzaga, CFP®, CCIM, San Ramon CA
Teaches a 10-night course at University of California, Berkeley extension in San Francisco and Berkeley. Many of the principals covered in classes to earn the CCIM designation are reviewed and applied during this class. 925-824-2880.
Probate speaker. I heard his free come-on speech. I talked to him afterward. He struck me as a first-class jerk—gratuitously hostile and belligerent. I do not recall ever discussing him with anyone who disagreed with that assessment or who valued his probate advice. I do not recommend him. I recommend Gary DiGrazia's probate book instead. Also, there is a chapter on probate in my How to Buy Real Estate for at Least 20% Below Market Value.
A visitor to this Web site sent me the following: "I had found a 6-tape seminar by J.G. Banks entitled "Treasure Hunting Probate Real Estate" for $1.98 in a Sacramento thrift shop and it piqued my interest, particularly when he talks about $20,000 to $40,000 profit per deal. Jim Banks is not a polished speaker and he didn't use a quality tape production company. There were two copies of tape 6 in the package, one of them labeled as tape 2. I don't know why the original purchaser in 1987, at $317.70 (the VISA receipt was still in the package), didn't get it replaced."
Click here for a humorous anecdote about Banks having to remove pages criticizing Robert Allen from Banks' Treasure Hunting book after Banks started appearing at Allen events.
A recent caller said Banks is now charging $6,000 for his seminar. Lord, that's a lot of money! This caller said there were two phone numbers of satisfied customers in Banks' free presentation. My caller called both and found they were both "no longer in service." He asked Banks for the names and phone numbers of other satisfied customers and Banks flatly refused to give him any. If you want names of my satisfied customers, along with cities, states, and, in many cases, e-mail links, see the reader comments listed under my various book titles and my newsletter.
Yet another flim-flam medicine-show guru selling "Elixir of Real Estate Investment." 98% salesmanship and 2% real estate knowledge, only half of which is valid.
I love John the person, the writer, and the speaker. However, I have received an unacceptable number of complaints and nothing but complaints about Genesis Media Group, Inc. or Family Products, LLC or whatever. The company that sells the Free and Clear program through the infomercial and a “mentoring” or coaching program in which John trained the mentors, provides material that the mentors and mentorees use, and is on call to to help them.
In the past, I relied heavily on John for his expertise on real estate investment. His 1970s and 1980s books, newsletters, and speeches were excellent. However, there is no longer a lot of reason to mention them because they are now unavalaible and were written years ago.
In the Twenty-First Century, he has gone the TV-infomercial-out-of-Utah route. There is not now and never has been a worthwhile Utah-based TV infomercial product. In fact, there are few, if any, worthwhile infomercial products from anywhere with the possible exception of record collections. I have tried to dissuade John from the Utah approach. I presume his other friends have as well. To no avail.
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Here is an item I published in my newsletter, Real Estate Investor's Monthly in January of 2002:
I had long heard of John Becks infomercial for his Free and clear course on investing in tax-lien certificates, but I had never seen ituntil recently. John is a long-time real estate investor and guru. He is also a lawyer and a friend of mine. My articles and books have often featured Johns adventures and opinions.
I was channel surfing around 12:15 AM recently when I heard the name John Beck. It was freaky. We tend to regard TV as another world. But when they kept saying John Beck and writing his name on the screen, I thought, Hey, I know him! Hes a real person, not a TV character!
The infomercial features a young man and woman who finish each others breathless sentences about how wonderful Johns course is. They are as energized and enthused as only TV pitchmen can be.
From time to time, the scene changes to some guy interviewing John. But it was not the John I know. He is rumpled, low-key, laid back, thoughtful, slow to speaksort of an intellectual Jimmy Stewart without the stuttering.
What I saw on TV was what I would expect if you gave him a dress-for-success makeover, made him double-park his car in downtown San Francisco, and had him drink diuretics for three hours without letting him go to the bathroom. He seemed to be sitting on the front of his chair and almost shouting his lines with a tremendous sense of urgency. The guy who interviewed him behaved the same.
Apparently the producers of the infomercial, Genesis Media, have found through focus-group research or something, that the way to market a book on investing in tax-lien certificates is to say over and over how cheap such purchases areoften under $1,000 in the examples in the infomercialand that those who buy such houses have no mortgage or mortgage payments. I am not sure they ever mentioned the phrase tax-lien certificates. It was cheap, free and clear, cheap, free and clear, cheap, etc.
One bit of Johns influence was apparent. The commercial was honest. John repeatedly held up color photos of houses and stated the price at which they sold via delinquent-property-tax procedures. If John says it, its true.
There were testimonials, but they, too, were honest as far as I could tell. For one thing, they claimed far less success than the outlandish nonsense you hear on other real-estate infomercials.
The testimonial givers were not identified, but one was Ron Starr, an investor and guru who has co-authored books with John and who has often been featured in my books and newsletter. Somehow, they made Ron look ten years younger in the infomercialwhich I guess is not surprising after they made John look like an investment banker.
The infomercial appeared to have been part John insisting that it be honest and part Genesis insisting that everyone act like carnival barkers. From the emails I have received, the problem arises after you buy the $39.95 course, then start receiving calls from boiler-room salesmen who pressure you into buying far more expensive services.
I pass the complaining emails I get along to John and he seems to win most of them over when he contacts them. [2005 note: This is no longer the case.] I surmise that he is also asking Genesis to behave in such a way that fewer complaints are generated. I have never seen the $39.95 course. I love John; have no use for Genesis.
I was asked to do an infomercial about an exchanging course many years ago. I refused in part because I felt the infomercial format had been used almost universally by sleazeballs. Although it would theoretically be possible to do an honest infomercial, the mere fact that I was using that medium would make me look like a sleazeball.
I said I might do it if I could make it look totally different, but when I described some ways I would want to do that, the producer rejected them out of hand. The only way they would do it was a fake talk show format. The only identification that it was a commercial that they would allow was a fine-print written disclaimer at the beginning and end of the half hour. No way, I said.
After years of recommending Johns pre-infomercial stuff, I must now reluctantly categorize him as a do not recommend. I do not recall ever having done that before with any guru. It is rare for someone to change his stripes so late in life. If anyone knows how to bring back the old John Beck, I would support the effort strongly.
On 7/22/09, I heard that the FTC sued Beck and others for $300 million. I was not surprised. When John got involved in the infomercial-Utah telemarketer world, I strongly urged him to reconsider. To no avail. And on 5/17/12, I received this:
Grand Scale Deception
The FTC has won a judgment against a massive infomercial scam that allegedly deceived almost a million people out of more than $450 million. The marketers behind infomercials for John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System, John Alexander's Real Estate Riches in 14 Days, and Jeff Paul's Shortcuts to Internet Millions promised big returns for the price of $39.95, the FTC said. But fewer than one percent of the buyers made any profit, and many people found themselves enrolled in programs that charged them every month, the court found. The defendants also pitched personal coaching services for up to $14,995, claiming people would easily earn back the cost. But almost everyone who paid for coaching lost money. Read Ads for Business Opportunities: How To Detect Deception.
I received this on 6/3/12 It says the FTC won their case against John and others on summary judgment (no need for a trial)
Most of us who knew John are very sad about this. He was a great guy before he got involved with Utah.
Moved to Iowa to be near Mahareshi Yogi transcendental meditation. Shut down by attorney general for not paying refunds. The Wisconsin state Bureau of Consumer Protection published a Guide for Wisconsin TV stations which lists several "Questionable infomercials," among them those of Ed Beckley's Home Business Technologies. See also David Martin's letter.
Here is an item I posted on Behle on 4/16/99:
"Behle once tried to rent my mailing list. I refused to let him because I thought the advertising piece he wanted to send was misleading. It was made to look like a newspaper article and had a post-it note on it that looked like it came from a friend. It was signed "John B." I had received the same piece myself previously and called my friend John Beck to ask if he had sent it. That's when I first heard of John Behle."Behle responded (4/17/99):
My (John T. Reed's) response (4/17/99) to John Behles email:
Stabbed! - The latest victim
I had been so thrilled to stay off John T. Reed's hit list. He doesn't have a competing book about paper, so I thought I might be safe. Apparently someone inquired and now his faulty memory and facts have colored me too. It's not a big deal, just not true. I left a message on his voice mail which since it wasn't worshipful will probably lead to further attacks. I guess I knew it was just a matter of time. Here's the scoop - I mean poop.
Ive never tried to rent John's list. He has nothing to do with paper and wouldnt be an interesting list for me anyway. The only list I've ever rented in my life is Creative Real Estate Magazine (a couple times).
I doubt John cares about facts, but the letter/ad he is referring to was developed and marketed by a company named Unicorp or Millionaire Consulting Service. They marketed a consulting service for Bob Allen and Mark Haroldsen.
I sued them and won over the fact that they used their infamous John B letter as they called it. Nothing in the letter ever mentioned me or referred to me, yet in a marketing script that we uncovered it mentioned that if they thought it was a friend or relative that had sent it to not disagree with that. If they were upset or enquired (sic) as to who sent it, the marketer was told to say that it came from John Behle in their marketing department. I never had anything to do with their marketing department. For a few months I helped out in doing some training for their consulting staff and handling the most difficult consulting situations.
I sued them because many people did assume the letter came from me. At that time about 100,000 people per month had been reading the magazine articles I wrote for many different publications and my name was the first to come to many people's minds. They mailed out tens of thousands of these ads per week and just about anyone with the name John B paid the price. Chuck Abbot, Doug Holmes and Richard Allen that developed the ad said that they chose that name because almost anyone knew a "John B". I sued for $750,000 in damages and because they didn't have a leg to stand on, they settled. I just wanted an apology, the cessation of any use of my name and just to rub Doug's nose in it a little, I received rights to use his mailing list (total junk), the Unicorp mailing list and had him sign a letter to clear up falsehoods that they had spread among their employees. I'm not a real vindictive person, so I didn't mail the letter. I guess I should have. Anybody want a 10 year old 30,000 name mailing list from a consulting service?
Once again, John T. Reeds facts are messed up. Hopefully he will show his intentions are honorable and clear it up. What do you wanna bet?
JOHN T. REED - I DO NOT RECOMMEND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS
From what Ive heard, his books are very worthwhile reading, his opinions of others in many cases are flawed.
I stand corrected. I was wrong. My apologies to John.
Click here to read my review of their book, Why Smart People Make Big Money Mistakes.
Here is a review of his book Maverick Real Estate Investing
I am told they charge thousands of dollars for seminars. See my article on expensive seminars.
Radio and book guru. Sent to prison for income-tax evasion. Died in 1998.
I recommend that you use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
According to a promotional mailing I received, he sells a video in which you learn how to "make $10,000 in 98 days." $10,000 divided by 98 = $102.04 per day or $102.04 divided by eight hours = $12.76 per hour. According to my local want ads, you can make that much in jobs like the following: driver, chauffeur, customer service, child care site supervisor, carpet cleaner. Britton's way of making the $12.76 a hour is rehabbing buildings that you must buy, rehab, then sell to get your money. There is far less risk and effort in a customer-service job.
Here is an item that relates to Bronchick from my 6/07 Real Estate Investor’s Monthly newsletter.
Abalos v. Bronchick
For years, I have been receiving communications that denounced Investing in Land author Robert Abalos, whose book I review favorably at my Web site guru rating page. Also, various things have been posted on the Internet denouncing him and denouncing me for refusing to denounce Abalos. Other gurus have received the same stuff and some turned against Abalos as a result. Bill Mencarow of www.papersourceonline.com and I did not.
The communications I received seemed part of an odd, orchestrated campaign rather than spontaneous communications from independent individuals, although they had the names of various seemingly obscure persons on them. I said so years ago at my Web site.
I received a snail-mailed envelope with no return address. Inside was a credit report on Robert Abalos and nothing else. The person or entity that ordered the credit report was redacted.
I did not read the credit report, but I thought it was illegal for it to have been ordered for the purpose of injuring Abalos and equally improper for it to be sent to me and others. I sent Abalos an email about it asking if he wanted me to mail it to him. He did.
Abalos contacted the credit bureau in question. Although the entity ordering it had been redacted, the company was easily able to tell Abalos who ordered it from the date and time, which had not been redacted.
As a direct result of the credit report, Abalos, who is a lawyer, tells me he has now filed federal suit number 2:2007cv00844 on June 4, 2007 in Washington Western U.S. District Court (Seattle), Honorable Robert S. Lasnik presiding. The name of the suit is Robert J Abalos versus William Bronchick and Flamingo West Ltd.
William Bronchick is a well-known real estate guru and is himself a lawyer. You can see information about the suit at http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-wawdce/case_no-2:2007cv00844/case_id-144087/. The cause of action is violation of the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 USC 1681).
If you want more details about the dispute, I refer you to the U.S. District Court files on this case and to the parties to the suit.
Bronchick sent me an email on 7/18/07, but asked me not to publish it. In it he says he did not send me the credit report he obtained and does not know who did. He also said he had a legal reason for ordering it, refused to say what it was, and invited me to guess what it was. He said that as of 7/18/07 he had not been served with the suit summons in spite of Abalos knowing where to serve him.
Bronchick was reportedly served on 8/2/07. Abalos says he was awarded a default judgment against Bronchick in 2007 or early 2008. Bronchick says the default judgment against him was vacated and that he won a defamation judgment against Abalos. Abalos says the preceding sentence is inaccurate.
On 4/8/08, Bronchick sent me an email containing a “findings of fact and conclusions of law” against Abalos in Arapahoe County Court in Colorado that found Abalos made false allegations that Bronchick violated the Fair Credit Reporting Act and other criminal laws. (Case No. 07CV1463 Div. 202) Note that this is different from the federal court in which Abalos filed his suit against Bronchick. The Colorado court said it made these findings of fact based upon “the testimony of William Bronchick and documentary evidence presented...” No mention was made of any testimony or evidence from Abalos. The Colorado court said that Bronchick suffered noneconomic damages of $20,000.
Bronchick says his motion to dismiss was granted in Civil Case CO7-844RSL in Seattle on 6/23/08. That is the third case number I have seen in Bronchick/Abalos litigation. I ma not familiar with the case.
I recommend that you use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. A visitor to this site said he was a good guy with reasonable prices and ethical, practical advice.
Nationally syndicated real estate columnist, author of occasional books, publisher of California Real Estate Law newsletter and a national real estate advice newsletter. Solid investor with a law degree and extensive experience. He and I did not agree on everything, but I recommend his books, newsletter, and column without hesitation.
You can still buy his stuff after his death. Three things he said, and his material will still say, that I disagree with are:
• He repeatedly recommended the book Nothing Down. Not a single technique in that book is ethical and legal. They all require either deceiving an institutional lender or taking advantage of an unsophisticated seller or both.
• He urged use of single-family lease options which, in most cases, works by bamboozling would-be howmeowners into paying large extra rent and front money for a home-purchase route that rarely results in homeownership and leaves the would-be homeowners far worse off. Bruss himself did not appear to do that to people but he said little about the distinction between doing it in a way that actually results in home ownership most of the time versus just using it to enrich the lanldord and leave the would-be homeowner out in the cold.
• In one of his weekly Q&A columns. he said it was OK to fudge the truth on a mortgage application. No it’s not. It’s a federal felony as well as immoral.
In general, however, his writing are rock solid.
Author of Business By The Book, The Complete Guide of Biblical Principles for the Workplace and Using Your Money Wisely, Biblical Principles Under Scrutiny. Many people believe the Bible is the word of God. It turns out, there is considerable discussion of financial matters in the Bible. Larry Burkett is a sort of combination Bible fan and personal finance/business guru. His books give his interpretation of what the Bible says about various financial issues.
I do not disclose my religious beliefs. Nor do I tell other people what religion they should join. I leave that to people like Robert Did I tell you I was a missionary Allen. (A missionary is someone who tells you that you are in the wrong religion, he is in the right one, and that you should switch to his. Thats Part I. In Part II, he tells you that you must send 10% or some such of your income to his religions headquarters for the rest of your life if you buy Part I.)
Having said that, however, I must add that I welcome ethical analysis of the various approaches to real-estate investment. There is far too little ethical discussion in the real estate business. Whether the Bible is THE Good Book is something for you to decide. However, I do not think there is any question that it is A good book in many respects as far as ethics are concerned.
The code of ethics I recommend is
Also, in real-estate transactions, I believe you are not ethical unless you require that persons with whom you do deals meet appropriate suitability standards. Almost no one does and most of the nothing-down and lease-option approaches now being pushed by various gurus fail those ethical standards. My Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist also offers detailed ethical standards for real-estate gurus.
In short, while I may not agree with every point Burkett makes, in general, most investors would benefit from study of the ethical implications of various real estate and business techniques whether it be based on the Bible, the Koran, or other popular religious or secular teachings.
I recommend that you use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. I am told he appeared with Robert Kiyosaki in Australia. I would not have done that. His Web site is rather brief and vague, but still manages many hits on item #20 of my BS detection checklist, for example, when he refers to his automatic system for Creating Wealth. Says he retired at age 32. So whats with the making speeches in Australia and selling products and boot camps off a Web site. Hes hustling a buck pretty hard for a retired guy. Few retired people have Web sites, and those that do only have family news and photos.
Now owned by Russ Whitney. See my extensive articles on him.
Too expensive for my tastes. Worked with Givens and Pino.
I took the Certified Commercial-Investment Member of the Realtors® National Marketing Institute seminars in the mid-1970s. The ones on income-tax law and the time value of money were excellent. I did not much care for the one that taught how to do a feasibility study. Although it has been many years since I took those seminars, I have heard nothing since that would cause me to believe the current versions are any less excellent. The name of the Institute has changed to Commercial Investment Real Estate Institute. www.ccim.com
Author of Smart Trust Deed Investing in California. Super book. Super guy. Best information I know of on trust deed investing. Those of you who do not live in California are foolish to wait for your state to produce a George Coats. Other states are generally not large enough to warrant the writing of real estate investment books aimed just at one state. Even if they were, guys as good as Coats are probably a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence. You have to modify Coats' California book with your own local research if you want to invest outside California.
Uses the business name Mentor Financial Group, LLC. The purpose of an LLC (limited liability company) is to make it harder for you to sue the owners of the company in question successfully. Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Advocates use of lease options. See my article on that subject. His Web site says Mentor Financial is Registered by the Colorado Secretary of States office as a company in good standing That seems to imply some sort of approval or endorsement by the state. In fact, all corporations and LLCs are required to register with the secretary of states office. Thats about as meaningful as my saying I am Registered by the California Department of Motor Vehicles as a vehicle owner in good standing. The products on his Web site sound like the same old mix of nothing down, lease option, etc. that so many other gurus are pushing.
No longer associated with David Finkel. Now Explosive-Cash-Flow.
Real Estate Money Machine author. He has declared bankruptcy multiple times, has unpaid fines levied against him by state attorneys general, has been the subject of cease-and-desist orders from attorneys general, has taken the Fifth Amendment in court, and has been indicted. Smart Money magazine did an extensive article (Wades World) on his financial and legal difficulties in October 1996. Call 800-925-0485 for a copy. The State of Texas went after Cook on 5/1/98. While you are at the FTC Web site, you may want to search around for other pertinent information. I suggest you bookmark my site before you do so you do not have to hit back a zillion times to find your way back. Readers Digest did a story about Cook and other gurus (the link is no longer active). There is a devastating article from the Wall Street Journal at the Motley fool Web site. The Street.com has an article with a nose-diving graph showing the performance of Cooks trades and another by a staffer who attended Cooks seminar.
On 10/5/00, Bloomberg News accounts said Wade Cook Financial Corp. would offer refunds to thousands of investors who attended Wade Cook stock-market seminars. This was to settle action brought against Wade Cook Financial Corp. by the Federal Trade Commission. Cook was also sued by the attorneys general of the states of AL, AZ, CA, ID, IL, KS, MO, NC, NM, OK, OR, PA, TX, and WA. Cook told investors they would learn how to double their money every 2 1/2 to 3 months and claimed “We do it all the time.” Cook’s corporation’s stock market investments lost 42% of their value in the first half of 2000.
Investors who did not earn back from stock-market trading at least what they paid for the seminar (up to $6,295) are eligible for refunds. Shares in Wade Cook Financial Corp sold for as much as $5.30 in 9/97. Last I heard, they sold for 18¢. Although neither Cook’s students nor his shareholders have done very well (he owned 64.5% of Wade Cook Financial Corp. on 4/30/00), Cook himself took $22 million out of the corporation in compensationmore than triple corporate earnings for the period.
Cook is a best-selling author (Wall Street Money Machine) and also wrote Real Estate Money Machine previously. He is one of a number of best-selling financial authors who make that list, in large part, a rogues gallery. The many people who buy Cooks books and attend his seminars are idiots. I have talked to some on the phone. When they ask about him, I recite all his legal troubles, including his bankruptcies. They then ask what I think of his latest book. Like I said, idiots.
On 12/19/02, Wade Cook Financial Services was put into involuntary Chapter 7 liquidation bankruptcy (Case No. 02-25434) in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court of the Western District of Washington. On 1/17/03, this was converted to a Chapter 22 reorganization bankruptcy on 1/17/03. When I did a search to confirm this, I typed Wade Cook bankruptcy into Google and immediately got the pertinent Web page of the Western District of Washington U.S. Bankruptcy Court Web site.
There is a story about it at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134686071_wadecook30.html.
Here is an article I wrote about Cook’s being indicted for tax fraud in 2005.
On 2/20/07, a federal jury in Seattle found Cook guilty on seven of eight criminal charges of not paying taxes due on $8.9 million of income from 1998 to 2000. The jury was unable to come a verdict on the eighth charge, tax fraud, and on any of the charges against Cook’s wife. At the time of the verdicts, the U.S. Attorney’s office was unable to say whether they would retry Cook’s wife or the tax fraud count against Cook.
On August 2, 2007, U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Zilly sentenced Wade Cook to seven years and four months in prison and his wife Laura to 18 months in prison. Laura pled cuiilty to obstruction of the IRS to avoid a second trial. The judge also ordered the Cooks to pay $3.75 million in back taxes. See the Seattle Times story at http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003819531_wadecook03m.html. The federal judge noted that Wade Cook had previously had to pay more than $500,000 in fines and restitution for investment fraud in Arizona, $4 million in back taxes in a prior case, and $2.7 million in judgments because of Federal Trade Commission action against him in 14 states.
At one point, Cook had four financial advice books on the New York Times best seller list. See my article about the rogues gallery that is the financial best seller list.
Loan brokerage. “Winning in the Cash Flow Business” was the name he used for his program. Not my area of expertise. Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Or read the Federal Trade Commission complaint against him. FTC sued Russell T. Dalbey;, DEI, LP; Dalbey Education Institute, LLC; IPME, LLP; Catherine L. Dalbey; and Marsha Kellogg. Kellogg provided a testimonial for Dalbey’s infomercial. She has settled out of Court with the FTC and agreed to cooperate with the FTC in their suits against the other defendants.
As usual in such cases, the FTC said Dalbey misled prospects about how much they could make, how fast, and how easily. FTC said spectacular testimonials were far from typical of Dalbey’s customers. Other chargse: false and unsubstantiated claims,most of Dalbey’s income fro the last twenty years came from selling advice on note investing, not note investing; income figures were cumulative over multiple years but depicted as from one year; violation of FTC telemarketing rules.
Here is an email I got:
Law360, New York (July 18, 2013, 3:03 PM ET) -- A Colorado couple accused of defrauding thousands of consumers through a supposed method of making money off seller-financed promissory notes agreed on Wednesday to pay the Federal Trade Commission and Colorado $330 million.
The FTC and the state of Colorado in 2011 sued Russell T. Dalbey and Catherine L. Dalbey, along with their companies, Dalbey Education Institute LLC, DEI LLLP and IPME LLLP, for allegedly violating the Telemarketing and Consumer Fraud and Abuse Prevention Act. In its complaint, the FTC said that since at least 1996,...
The Colorado Attorney General sent me this media release:
INFOMERCIAL CELEBRITY RUSS DALBEY MUST SURRENDER ASSETS IN $330 MILLION SETTLEMENT WITH COLORADO ATTORNEY GENERAL AND FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
DENVER—Colorado Attorney General John W. Suthers today announced that his office and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) have reached a settlement with Russell and Catherine Dalbey of Boulder for allegedly defrauding consumers with promises of making money by brokering seller-financed promissory notes or privately held mortgage loans. The two are now banned from telemarketing, selling business opportunities and producing or distributing infomercials.
“Using infomercials, print advertising, testimonials and telemarketing calls, the Dalbeys convinced nearly one million consumers to part with thousands of dollars and jump on board with their “Winning in the Cash Flow Business” wealth-building scheme,” said Suthers. “Together with the FTC, we have stopped the Dalbeys and their three companies from orchestrating their get-rich quick activities.”
Under the agreed-upon settlement, the Dalbeys must disclose their assets in sworn financial statements; repatriate all foreign assets; and cooperate fully as the FTC and the Colorado Attorney General’s office determine how much of an agreed-upon $330 million judgment they can pay. The judgment will be suspended upon the defendants’ surrender of those assets.
The settlement order bans the Dalbeys from telemarketing, from marketing or selling business opportunities, and from producing or distributing infomercials. The stipulated order also prohibits them from making deceptive claims about the efficacy, benefits, price, or availability of products, programs, or services, and it bars them from using deceptive endorsements or failing to disclose restrictions regarding any products, programs, or services.
According to the complaint, the infomercials, which oftentimes featured a celebrity endorser, made deceptive claims that consumers would experience quick and easy success using DEI’s three-step program: “Find ‘Em,” “List ‘Em,” and “Make Money.” The defendants’ claims were underscored by allegedly atypical, and sometimes false, testimonials from consumers who claimed to have made “$1.2 million in 30 days,” “$79,000 in a few hours,” and “$262,216 part time,” for example.
Consumers spent approximately $40 to $160 on the initial program and were later encouraged by telemarketers to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars more on additional products or services, such as multi-day seminars, coaching sessions, and promissory note holder lead lists, although very few made the money the Dalbeys promised they would, the complaint alleged.
The Colorado Attorney General and FTC charged one of the consumers who provided testimonials for the infomercial, Marsha Kellogg, with falsely claiming that she earned $79,975.01 from one promissory note transaction using the Dalbeys’ program, and that her total earnings were more than $134,000. Kellogg agreed to settle the charges in 2011.
Under a stipulated order against Russell Dalbey’s three companies – DEI, LLLP; Dalbey Education Institute, LLC; and IPME, LLLP – the companies are jointly and severally liable along with the Dalbeys for the $330 million judgment. The three companies ceased operations shortly after the Colorado Attorney General and the FTC filed their complaint. On September 21, 2011 the companies filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection.
The FTC voted 4-0 to approve the stipulated order against Russell and Catherine Dalbey. The stipulated order against the Dalbeys was entered by the U.S. District Court for the District Colorado. Consent judgments have the force of law when approved and signed by the District Court judge.
The Colorado Consumer Fraud Unit works to prevent fraudulent, deceptive, and unfair business practices. In this matter, consumers should call 720-508-6888 or click http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral.gov/dalbey for more information or to file complaints.
He co-wrote a book on flipping that I reviewed here.
Click here to read my review of the book he co-authored, The Millionaire Next Door.
Reasonably-priced book ($24.95) Generally reasonably-worded brochurealthough it is noteworthy that he tells you to whom the check should be payable, but gives no mailing address, thereby preventing you from paying by check. Thats the kind of mistake that disqualifies you from getting your financial-genius secret decoder ring.
Excellent book on the fixer strategy. I do not like the parts of the book that discuss partnerships and financing. I do not know if his more expensive products are worth their prices.
I could do without Jay's cornpone, Beverly Hillbillies costume and occasionally folksy language. De Cima is apparently from the Joe Land-Jimmy Napier School of Presenting Yourself as a Country Boy. It's a bit odd, but does not seem to prevent one from giving decent real estate advice. It's the guys who wear pinky rings and gold chains that you have to watch out for.
DeCima is a slob about checking his facts. For example, on page vii, he says, "nearly half the work force was unemployed during the Great Depression." It took me about 20 seconds to get the correct figure, 26% at the peak. The book contains a number of such Cliff Claven-style errors.
He also fails to attribute stuff he got from other people. For example, on page 93, he tells one of Joe Land's jokes without mentioning Joe and prefacing it with, "When I write about this subject, I'm always reminded of..."
When DeCima talks about non-fixer investment issues, his thinking is sometimes muddled, uninformed, or illogical. For example, his discussion at the top of page 9 and elsewhere in the book seems not to reflect an understanding of the time value of money. On page 116, he dismisses the use of computers in real estate out of hand. There is no doubt that computers can be misused. I recommend against all canned real-estate-investment-analysis programs. However, failure to use a computer to manage property or to analyze large amounts of useful, accurate data is idiotic.
He seems oblivious to an ethical issue on page 131. He says it's best to work with just one agent, in part, so you can get access to so-called "pocket listings." I was an agent for two years. "Pocket listings" do exist, but they are an unethical agent practice. A "pocket listing" is one which the agent keeps "in his pocket" and shows only to his best buyers. Since the agent has a fiduciary duty to get the highest price for the seller, he must publicize the fact that the house is for sale as widely as possible as fast as possible. If, instead, he only tells his favorite buyer, to avoid another agent splitting the commission, he is acting against the interest of his client, violating his fiduciary duty to the seller. You should not deal with unethical agents who keep listings "in their pockets" either as a buyer or as a seller.
Don't get me wrong. When DeCima talks about buying and fixing houses for profit, his book is excellent. But he says a number of things that I must dissociate from my general recommendation of the book lest readers think I agree with everything that's in it. Because I see a number of inaccuracies, exaggerations, and failures to attribute in the book, I worry that some of the unverifiable statements about DeCima's successes may be similarly inaccurate or exaggerated or the result of external factors rather than the result of DeCima's own efforts.
Click here to read my review of his book, Fixin' Ugly Houses for Money.
Former sheetrocker from Modesto who did infomercials featuring himself sitting on the beach in Hawaii. I debated him on Larry King Live. Del Dotto strikes me as the dumbest of the famous gurus. In one of the books he sold with his home-study course, he said to take advantage of a Farmers Home Administration loan. If you're not a farmer, he said, get one to "front for you." Many of the other gurus give similar advice. But Del Dotto is the only one I know dumb enough not to understand that the standard, get-rich-quick-guru way to deal with the issue is not to mention the farmer requirement. For the record, getting a farmer to front for you in a loan program that's for farmers only is a felony. Del Dotto's Modesto headquarters was foreclosed in the '90s.
The Wisconsin State Bureau of Consumer Protection published a Guide for Wisconsin TV stations which lists several "Questionable infomercials," among them those of David Del Dotto.
In the 6/8/98 Newsweek, Jane Bryant Quinn said that Del Dotto had gone bankrupt. I still see him on TV, only now this one-time "real estate expert" is selling products unrelated to real estate.
The WA attorney general sued Dave Del Dotto and his Affordable Housing, Inc. The suit alleges Del Dotto made numerous misrepresentations about real estate investing, some of which violate a U.S. District Court order. It also accused him of acting as a broker without a license: he collects $500 deposits to be credited toward closing costs for a mortgage which he will help them get.
The court papers said Del Dotto was a principal in a firm that filed bankruptcy and has been the subject of repeated enforcement actions by regulators, including the FTC and the Insurance Commissioner of Hawaii. They also allege that he tells seminar students inaccurate information, i.e., that they can pocket the proceeds of government-insured home-improvement loans, that they can get mortgages for 1% to 3% less than less informed consumers, that his customers typically make a profit in real estate using his system, that you can get free-and-clear title to a house by simply paying back taxes of as little as $500, that it's easy for people with bad credit to buy houses for nothing down, and that you can add $50,000 equity to a home by painting and adding carpet.
In short, WA says Del Dotto "charges high fees for information which is virtually worthless, outdated, and unethical." WA authorities were seeking a restraining order to prevent Del Dotto from holding a seminar in the state. Court papers reveal previously unknown facts about Del Dotto: IRS placed a lien on his Hawaii house in 1993. In 1995, Hawaii sued him for nonpayment of $5,000,000 in loans. He filed for Chapter 7 personal bankruptcy, and his corporation filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1995. In 1996, he agreed to pay a $200,000 fine to the FTC.
What's new here is that government authorities have finally become appropriately aggressive in pursuing guys like Del Dotto. Unfortunately, the gurus seem to be ignoring the authorities to an extent, witness Del Dotto's alleged ignoring of a previous federal court order. Another new development: many gurus have begun to structure their pitches so as to run afoul of securities and licensing laws.
Many investors originally came into real estate as a result of pitches from gurus like Del Dotto. Too many investors still have vestiges of those original pitches in their real-estate-investment programs. See also David Martin's letter.
Click here for a review of New Zealander De Roos book Real Estate Riches.
Don’t know if it means anything, but a reader of this site who is from the U.K. says he thinks DeRoos has a South African accent, not a New Zealand accent, and that the name DeRoos sounds Dutch and Afrikaan. Dutch settlers created South Africa. Afrikaan is a South African language similar to Dutch.
Here is an email I got on 5/14/12:
I have seen your website and the analysis of Dolf de Roos' book.
I am the liquidator of a company named Property Ventures Limited. This company was a property developer / investor. It is now insolvent owing as much as $NZ165 million with no assets left. De Roos was responsible for attracting a number of Americans into the company as an investors.
I attach my report for your interest.
If you are not game to open it you can find it on the official NZ Government website as follows http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/878526/documents
If you want more information feel free to contact me.
Robert B Walker
Lease-option guru. I talked to Diamond and he seemed pretty sharp at the time. But I cannot recommend him for two reasons: His lease-option program has a 50% failure-to-exercise rate and his price for his "mentoring" service is in the multi thousands of dollars. See What you need to know about lease options for a discussion of their problems. See my Why you should not buy expensive seminars or mentoring services for more on Diamond's fee and my opinion of it.
I have received many different responses to negative reviews on this page—threats, attempted bribes, extortion, and attempts to "kill me with kindness." Diamond, however, takes the prize for the most juvenile response. "Juvenile" is not a word usually associated with mentors.
On 6/29/00, Bill Mencarow told me he had just learned that Diamond bought the number one ranking for the key words Paper Source at goto.com. Apparently this means that anyone who searches for Paper Source in goto.coms search engine will get a list with Diamond at the top. Mencarow takes umbrage at this because he has been publishing the newsletter PaperSource and putting on the Paper Source convention for many years. A common law called unfair competition may be pertinent. Unfair competition is defined in Blacks Law Dictionary in part as endeavoring to substitute ones own products in the markets for those of another, having an established reputation and extensive sale, by means of imitating the name, title, the imitation being carried far enough to mislead the general public or deceive an unwary purchaser, and yet not amounting to an absolute counterfeit or to the infringement of a trademark or trade name. Singer Mfg. Co. v. June Mfg. Co., 163 US 169
I saw your web page. I am an attorney involved in litigation against Claude Diamond. My client was a young business entrepreneur who engaged the mentoring services of Mr. Diamond. He is being sued by Mr. Diamond. I am investigating Mr. Diamond, his background, credentials, and qualifications. I would be interested in speaking with individuals with similar consumer related complaints against Mr. Diamond. If you have any information, it would be greatly appreciated. Your web site is very informative. Thank you.
Name removed at the attorneys request after being initially posted here at that same attorneys request
A reader says Diaz claims to have been the past president of the National Real Estate Investment Association. I had never heard of that organization. An Internet search reveals an organization by that name, but it appears to be for institutional real estate investors only. Institutional real estate investors are pension funds, REITs, etc. The reader also says Diaz is a follower of Robert Allen, Robert Kiyosaki, and Robert Shemin. Since I do not recommend Allen or Kiyosaki, it is unlikely I would recommend Diaz. The reader also characterizes Diaz as a strong proponent of asset protection. I generally think strong proponents of asset protection are paranoid and a little kooky. Another reader says Diaz has said nice things about Sheets but does not endorse any guru. I am not sure what the word endorse means in that phrase. If Diaz disagrees with the teachings of Allen, Kiyosaki, or Shemin, he ought to tell me so if this is incorrect. None of these guys are in my Rolodex.
My one-time adult baseball teammate. His Diamond Farming (510-278-2017, FAX 510-317-9644) is a solid book on probate investing in California. As with Coats' book, in the land of the blind, the California book is king. If you live outside California and want to invest in probates, DiGrazia's book is probably the best thing you'll ever find. You'll have to modify it to reflect differences between your local law and California's laws. I wrote about him in How to Buy Real Estate for at Least 20% Below Market Value.
I have no idea who these guys are or what they are about but they regularly send out an envelope containing their newsletter. It has a long list of people listed on the back of the envelope, including me. I did not give them permission to use my name. I told them to stop. They did not. The other people on the list include many who send me unsolicited emails that I delete without reading and many real estate gurus whom I do not recommend. It is illegal in California to use someone’s name in advertising without their permission. I conclude the people who produce Dirty Talk are some form of scum of the earth.
Jim Kerr wrote:
Mr. Reed -You mentioned that you were unaware of Joe Dominguez and his book "Your Money or Your Life". Joe is now deceased, but in the early 90s he wrote (with Vicki Robin) the book "Your Money or Your Life". It is NOT a get rich quick book. Basically, he feels most Americans spend way too much money. The book promotes the idea that financial independence and early retirement can be achieved through frugality. I enjoyed the book and agree with most of what he says. Probably the only thing I disagreed with was his recommendation to buy 30 year US treasury bonds to provide you with a steady stream of income. I believe he downplays the danger of inflation. His book is readily available in bookstores. I highly recommend it.
By the way, I really like your site and what you are doing! Jim Kerr
John T. Reed responds:
Thanks for your kind comments about this site. Dominguez sounds like my kind of guy. I agree with your comment about 30-year bonds.
Here is a review I wrote of his book Value Investing in Real Estate.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
I got an email from a reader who told me there was a story in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette newspaper about a real estate investment guru who was in trouble with the law. The story is at http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_city/20020808cburbs9.asp. According to the article, 61-year old Michael Enelow was indicted on 29 counts of wire and mail fraud by a grand jury in connection with a real estate invesment scam. He reportedly ran ads in periodicals around the U.S. from 1995 through 2000 offering money to people who would refer real estate deals to him. The indictment said he lied about how much money he had and how many deals he did. He charged $1,500 to sign up and got over a thousand people to send him that much. (1,000 x $1,500 = $1,500,000) The FBI said Enelow lived off the $1,500 charges and that his real estate dealings were insignificant.
On 7/25/97, a reader alerted me that Cliff Enz's Web site had plagiarized mine. I visited his site and found that Enz had copied the guru portion of this Web site including my copyrighted B.S. Detection Checklist article and a reader-input-soliciting page I used to have here, and put it on his own web site with some changes. He presented my material without permission and without attribution to me and even said The material is copyrighted, implying that he owned the copyright. He claimed the material was the product of personal observation, research and analysis... You bet, mine and those of my readers.
The only business I have ever had with Enz is that he asked for a free copy of my annual update booklet. If anyone finds he has published that anywhere as his own, please let me know.
Words cannot express my contempt for Cliff Enz.
The Blue Jeans Millionaire. One-time real estate investment expert now selling multi-level health stuff through Rexall. A reader comments thats peculiar since at one time he espoused staying away from multi-level and other business opportunities since they were a needless distraction from real estate--where the real money was to be made.
Use the business name Mentor Financial Group, LLC. The purpose of an LLC (limited liability company) is to make it harder for you to sue the owners of the company in question successfully. Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Advocates use of lease options. See my article on that subject. His Web site says Mentor Financial is Registered by the Colorado Secretary of States office as a company in good standing That seems to imply some sort of approval or endorsement by the state. In fact, all corporations and LLCs are required to register with the secretary of states office. Thats about as meaningful as my saying I am Registered by the California Department of Motor Vehicles as a vehicle owner in good standing. The products on their Web site sound like the same old mix of nothing down, lease option, etc. that so many other gurus are pushing.
No longer associated with Peter Conti. Now Maui Millionaires, LLC.
Here is an email I got from a reader about this company.
"A foreclosure listing service that advertises on television. They provide REO listings. I sent for a three month subscription in September 99 which consisted of three monthly issues for approx. $50 non-refundable. The two issues they sent were received late and the third was never received. Calls were not returned. The information in the issues was over two months old by the time I received the issues. The only charge authorized was this $50 charge back in September. Move forward to March 23 and I find that this company has charged $499 to my credit card they had on file. I cannot reach them at their customer service number or order line. New VISA guidelines require the card issuer to send to the card holder a dispute form that must be filled out and signed before the dispute can be processed. Now I have to wait for the card issuer to contact the merchant for their side of the story." Chris Golianis
I received a complaint about this company from Ryan Ballard. He also sent me some emails he says they sent him. Please click here to read those emails. Warning: the emails from ForeclosureListings.com contain profanity. In one email, ForeclosureListings.com questions Mr. Ballards intelligence. He is a college graduate. For what its worth, he is also a professional baseball player (minor league).
Click here to read letters I have received about Fortune 21.Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Clickhere to read an email I received about Dan Franklin.Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Big advocate of lease options. Wrote a book called Real Estate Option Techniques.
Gardiner was always arguing with me, which I normally love. Taking a position and debating it is my favorite way to figure things out. But there are only two legitimate debate tactics: finding errors or omissions in the other partys facts or logic. There are a bunch of illegitmate debate tactics: changing the subject, strawmen, name calling (e.g., youre too negative), and so forth. Gardiner would hit me with multiple illegitimate debate tactics in rapid fire. He subscribed to my newsletter as recently as March of 2000. When he came up for renewal, I tossed his renewal notices in the trash rather than mail them to him because I decided I did not want his business. I had never done that with any other subscriber.
He was always arrogant and bragging about what a big-time real estate guy he was. On 1/24/00, he filed bankruptcy in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of California in Sacramento. I did not learn that until a year later. On 1/24/01, I called his phone number to ask if what I had heard was correct. It was disconnected. As a result of his not appearing in court when ordered, an order to apprehend him was entered in the Federal Bankruptcy Court in Sacramento. The authorities there cannot find him and would like to know where he is. I am trying to find the full scope of what happened. One story I heard was that he was a property manager who sold his clients properties without their permission and kept the proceeds! One account of that says he could do this because he had broad power of attorney from them. Another said he got his clients to give him unrecorded deeds to their properties saying he needed such deeds in order to manage their property.
A person who said he represented her in setting up a bunch of lease options was in a panic because five were coming due and the index Gardiner had her tie the option prices to had not gone up enough. As a result, each property was worth about $60,000 more than its option price. She was looking for an aggressive attorney to defend her against the buyers who wanted to exercise.
Pepe1989@aol.com wrote: have you ever heard of Marc stephen garrison ? he takes people on real estate buying tours out of the area where they live because he finds better markets. does this make sense to you?
Garrison was an associate of Robert G. Allen. He and Allen had a falling out. Allen apparently gave Garrison his newsletter to satisfy or partially satisfy a debt Allen owed Garrison. Garrison strongly urged me to write an article exposing Allen's financial difficulties. I said I needed proof and Garrison helped me get key interviews and told me where to look for key documents. I wrote the article in my 9/87 issue. Garrison also tried to get me to take over the newsletter. I dont want to put out a July issue, he said. I believe that was in June of 1988. I made my standard offer for taking over newsletters (I have taken over three): You pay me the cost of printing and mailing my newsletters to your subscribers and I will pay you half of each renewal by your old subscribers for the first year and 25% of each renewal the second year. He wanted a better deal. I believe he sold it to Mark Haroldsen.
Brief (six months) windows of opportunity have opened in various areas like Anchorage and Oklahoma City in the last twenty years. I don't think anyone could make a living taking people to such opportunities because they only occur once every five or ten years. Plus most people would be chicken to invest in such dramatically depressed areas.
A more common pattern is investors from high-priced areas erroneously concluding that real estate is a bargain in lower-priced areas because they are cheaper than in the investor's home area. The classic group that made that mistake was the Japanese coming to the U.S. I have also heard of New Yorkers (high priced) being taken to Camden, NJ (ghetto and also my birthplace) by Sonny Bloch and various people have capitalized on the propensity of Californians (high priced) to conclude that prices in places like Arizona (lower prices) must be too low because they are so much lower than California.
I think it's possible for opportunities to exist in some areas of the U.S. other than the brief windows of opportunity I described above, but it would have to be a rather esoteric niche which the typical investor who uses someone else (Garrison) to find properties would be afraid to invest in.
His 1986 book Financially Free is one of many real estate investment books which I describe as "Real estate dictionaries that are not in alphabetical order." You do not need to buy a real estate dictionary. There are several on-line for free.
A reader tells me he found a Chapter 7 bankruptcy for a Marc S. Garrison in Gilbert Arizona in 1997. I do not know if it is the same person.
Solid, down-to-earth experienced author publisher of Creative Investor newsletter and several how-to books. President of the Creative Investors Association Chicago, a former Bob Allen Club. Widow and former partner of the late beloved guru Marc Goodfriend. Former college professor.
Gatten has complained about this portion of my Web page. He told me on 5/9/03 that it had cost him exactly $51,456.57 in sales. He did not explain how it would be possible to know such a thing.
The summer 2007 issue of the Ohio Division of Real Estate and Professional Licensing newsletter contained an extraordinary statement by a professional engineer. It told how the engineer was drawn into real estate by Kiyosaki’s book Rich Dad Poor Dad and sent on a bad path by Kiyosaki’s employees. It also refers repeatedly to a person whose first name was Bill and whose last name was redacted who advocated a complex trust arrangement for investing in real estate. I have obtained an unredacted copy of the statement and the person named Bill is, indeed, Bill Gatten and the trust in question is, indeed, Gatten’s PACTRUST.
The professional engineer was fined $39,000 by the state of Ohio, but was told that the fine would be waived if he made a comprehensive statement to the public about his experience.The purpose of the statement and its being printed in the Ohio government newsletter was to warn others from making the same mistake as the engineer. You can see that newsletter at http://www.com.state.oh.us/real/documents/2007Summer.pdf. Also, I have copied and pasted the unredacted version to my Web site. I redacted on my own initiative the names of persons who appear not to be public figures. You can read it by clicking here. I put a copy of the statement at my Web site because government documents are not copyrighted and because sometimes government Web sites later remove older documents.
Here are a couple of the engineer’s statements in which he summarized his feleings about Gatten:
...Bill Gatten offered us no assistance when problems arose. When we contacted Equity Holding Corporation (the trustee established by NARS), they denied any relationship with the property and claimed they did not receive payment or documentation to act as the trustee, even though we have documentation from NARS showing payment and trust establishment (see Appendix 3). I have gone back to engineering and continue to pay off the debt incurred by this endeavor. Our involvement with Mr. Gatten and his trust system is regrettable. The experience with Mr. Gatten and his system has been a very negative one for us and we have no current or planned future involvement in real estate investing. We caution other potential investors to thoroughly investigate a program such as this before becoming involved.
Gatten sent me a long email about the Ohio item. Since it started off ranting and raving, I only read a paragarph or two. He may have some response to the Ohio statement at his Web site. If you are interested in his response, I suggest you visit his Web site to read it.
Here is an email I got from a reader.
I mention Genesis Media in this e-mail message. Not sure if they are mentioned at your site but they have provided Telemarketing services for Ted Thomas, Fortune 21 Inc., and possibly Michael T. Warren. There is a post at papersourceonline that mentions Michael T. Warren and the person was given the number for Genesis Media as a contact number. Ted Thomas and Fortune 21 Inc. are mentioned in SEC forms filed by Genesis Media. If you ever want to know more about Genesis Media check the posts at ragingbull (www.ragingbull.com; message board - GENI). The posts by Charles_Ponzi are simply amazing. Genesis Media is a subsidiary of GENI (whatever that symbol stands for). This is an activity you would undertake if you had a lot of free time on your hand and like good spy novels. It reads like a great fi! ction spy novel except it ain't ficition. ex-Saud arms dealer Khashoggi, who controls GENI.
If you look up "glib" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Givens next to the definition. Givens was the Cliff Claven of finance. His International Administrative Services, Inc., which did business under 16 names including some involved in real estate, went bankrupt in Orlando in the summer of 1996. In 1993, he lost a lawsuit stemming from the uninsured death of a man killed in a car accident by an uninsured driver after Givens advised the deceased to drop his uninsured motorist coverage. That same year, he settled a fraud and deceptive trade practices suit filed by the Florida attorney general by agreeing to pay $177,000 in refunds to 135 disgruntled customers and to reimburse the state for its investigation costs.
In 1995, the Florida Attorney General got Givens to agree to pay $377,000 to cover refunds and the cost of the Florida investigation. Givens also agreed to stop making certain claims about the value of his teachings and to make full refunds to anyone who requests them within three days of receiving his materials. Two juries found him guilty of fraud.
In 1996, a California jury said Givens had defrauded 29,000 customers in that state and ordered him to refund $14.1 million to them.
The Wisconsin State Bureau of Consumer Protection published a Guide for Wisconsin TV stations which lists several "Questionable infomercials," among them those of Charles J. Givens. Givens died of prostate cancer in July of 1998.
A reader tells me they charge $5,000 to teach note brokering. That's too much. The reader also said they tried to pressure him into borrowing money to pay the $5,000. I find it hard to believe that anyone would stoop so low, or that there are idiots out there who respond to such pressure.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Click here to read my review of his book, How to Nail Down Your Home Improvement Project Without Getting Screwed.
Click here to read my review of his book, The Intelligent Investor.
Ione Young Gray - #74491
Current Status: Disbarred
This member is prohibited from practicing law in California by order of the California Supreme Court.
Bar Number: 74491
Address: 2265 Westwood Blvd., #337
Los Angeles, CA 90064
District: District 7
Undergraduate School: Rice Univ; Houston TX
County: Los Angeles
Law School: Columbia Univ SOL; New York NY
The biggest character among the real estate gurus. Doonesbury's Uncle Duke come to life. He made a big splash in the late '70s with his book, Two Years for Freedom and multiple appearances on the Dinah Shore Show. He was convicted of federal income tax evasion and sent to prison. He escaped. One version I heard was that he escaped while on emergency leave visiting a sick relative. The other was he disappeared from a half-way house. In any event, he is apparently living in England using the name Dr. William G. Hill. Numerous books are for sale there by that author. They are virtually identical to Greene's books. When John Beck came across the books in England, he asked the publisher how he could get in touch with Dr. Hill. He was told they could not even get in touch with him, that Dr. Hill calls them.
I thought Greene had some good ideas but I could never recommend his stuff because it contained too many bad ideas, like backing out of a deal based on a clean termite report. He explained, You could say you wanted a building with termites. No, you can't. The courts will not allow such nonsense. See also David Martin letter.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. This is Russ Whitneys Realtor®. His office is across the street from Whitneys building.
Author of How to Awaken the Financial Genius Within You. Publisher of the now quarterly Financial Freedom Report. His main claim to fame is that he invented the densely-worded, full-page, magazine, direct-mail ad to sell his book. The novelty of that trick apparently has long since worn out. I haven't seen it in years.
Financial Freedom Report was accused of 83 counts of deceptive sales practices by the Utah Division of Consumer Protection according to a 5/19/97 KSL-TV story in Salt Lake City. Utah had received over 900 complaints about Financial Freedom Report nationwide since 1993 but only took action based on the 83 complaints from Utah residents. KSL-TV said the Commonwealth of Virginia had also taken action against Financial Freedom Report.
The Wisconsin State Bureau of Consumer Protection published a Guide for Wisconsin TV stations which lists several "Questionable infomercials," among them those of Financial Freedom Report.
Haroldsen's people once called me to ask permission to reprint one of my book chapters as an article in their magazine. I said, "OK, for $375." They said they only paid $125. I said no deal. They went ahead and printed it anyway and sent me a check for $125. I sent them an invoice for $250 and a strongly-worded note. They ignored me. I then told everyone I met who had the slightest interest in Haroldsen about that incident. Many months later, Haroldsen was coming to Monterey, California to give a seminar. I plotted how I could obtain a judgment against him and have the sheriff execute the judgment by till-tapping, that is, seizing his receipts, at the seminar. About that time, he sent me a check for $250. If you'd like to be treated the way he treated me, deal with Mark Haroldsen.
On another subsequent occasion, Haroldsen's people asked me to speak at his annual convention. I refused.
Heres an email I got about Haroldsen.
In 1976 I was one of the one's that purchased Mark Haroldsen's How to Awaken the Financial Genius Within You through the mail. I was 12 years old, and not to be funny, but it was written right on my level. He had a very simple easy way of explaining the power of compounding, but even at that age I could see a flaw in his math. He stated that he was worth millions and planned to double his net worth every year for the rest of his life. Let's see... If was worth two million in 1976 then he should be worth over 67 TRILLION DOLLARS in 2001.
Haroldsen apparently won an FTC complaint case against him. I do not fully understand the FTCs Website. Look at it for yourself at http://www.ftc.gov/ogc/status/injunct2.htm. I had not been aware that the FTC had filed a case against him until a Haroldsen supporter told me about it.
Plagiarized Bill Mencarow until persuaded to stop by Mencarow's attorney.
A reader was kind enough to give me Hicks 1989 book How to Make $1,000,000 in Real Estate in Three Years Starting With No Cash. First, the title is ridiculous. The third page of the book lists Hicks other book titles. Almost all of them trigger item #20 of my BS artist detection checklist. If I were forced to write a book by the title Hicks chose for this book, it would be very narrowly focused. I figured thats what Hicks would do. I mean how many ways can there be to make $1,000,000 in three years starting with no cash? The way Hicks tells it, it almost doesnt matter which approach you use: conventional financing, credit-card loans, raw land, residential property, commercial and industrial property, islands, fixers, motels, limited partnerships, condos, stock market, theaters. This is absurd.
Not wanting to waste much more of my time on Hicks, I just checked out the raw land chapter. It defines raw land, lists obvious advantages and disadvantages (e.g., cheap, pays no income), says its valuable because its a limited commodity, says to buy in the suburbs of a major city in the direction of growth, etc. This is conventional wisdom. Its not worth a nickel, let alone the price of the book.
On page 100, he tells of a guy who made his quick million by electing himself mayor of a ghost mining town then issuing municipal bonds, part of the proceeds of which were used to pay himself a good salary. Hicks says the guy restored the city as a tourist attraction. That is, at least, a mildly interesting idea which is not conventional wisdom. But I do not believe it. This is what I call seminar real estatestuff that delights ignorant seminar audiences, but which has no relationship to the real world.
Since majority rules in elections, I suspect there is a rule that you must have at least three voters to hold an election and that there is some government agency which oversees elections to make sure they are honest. To vote in a town election, you have to live in the town. Ghost mining towns may be uninhabited, but they are not unowned and they have posted "No trespassing" signs. In order to live in the town, you must buy or rent from the owners, neither of which is likely when you have no cash. I am a Harvard MBA. Many of my fellow Harvard MBAs are in the municipal-finance business. The notion that they would underwrite and successfully sell out a multi-million-dollar bond issue on a ghost town and deliver the proceeds to the sole inhabitant and mayor who owns no property there is silly. All bonds and prospective bonds must be rated according to their risk. The rating agencies, like Moodys and Standard & Poors, would visit the town and ask to see its financial books. It wouldnt even get that far. The prospective underwriters would ask about the towns population, annual tax revenues, operating expenses---then they would hang up. If Hicks calls, you should do the same.
Former Lowry employee. Nothing-down seminar guru and author of the book, How to Negotiate Successfully in Real Estate. I detest him and his book. It gives unethical advice, like threatening to renege at the eleventh hour in a deal in order to get better terms. I debated him, or tried to, on a Financial News Network TV show in the '80s. I say "tried" to because it was a call-in show and the callers attacked Hoffman so viciously that any additional comments I made would have seemed like piling on. So I just sat back and listened.
Hoffman's company declared bankruptcy. Although he expressed a plan to become governor of California, he was more recently seen selling drape-cleaning devices in TV infomercials and he was the producer of the video O.J. Simpson did to prove his "innocence."
The name of this company triggers item #20 on my BS artist detection checklist. Heres an email I got about him:
John, I just went to a Larry Holder seminar. He had the gaudy rings, showed us pictures of his "million dollar cabin", referred to flying his plane in that day (his assistant inadvertently admitted they drove in), and asked for $6,000 for his seminar and mentoring. This could be conveniently paid for by credit card. Thought you might like to add this to your BS list!
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
I took Institute of Real Estate Management courses in the mid-1970s. They were good, not great. IREM puts out a lot of lame books. Their courses are better, probably because the committee that destroys their books cant edit the instructors during their presentations.
By far the most prolific real-estate-investment author, but that title seems to be his goal rather than communicating new information that the world needs. Books range from ho-hum to OK. I wish he would knock off the quantity and switch to quality. His books wont hurt. Neither will they help much if you already read the good books available. He has little or nothing new to add. I am annoyed that he did not acknowledge the contribution of any ather person in the books of his that I have. I do not recall him ever mentioning any other human being in his books except for Napoleon Hill, a long dead motivational writer. He is also extremely coy about the titles of his other books and where he is for some unknown reason.
Click here to read my review of his book, Improve the Value of Your Home Up to $100,000.
Click here to read my review of his book, Find It, Buy It, Fix It.
Lease-option guru. I am not familiar with her material, but I have yet to find a lease-option guru whose approach is satisfactory to me. See my article on lease options and my Special Report on the subject.
Author of the Ultimate Lease Option Strategy. Kaiser's main point is to contact owners of vacant homes and rental house owners who have filed eviction lawsuits. That's a good idea. But he says his strategy is "one size fits all." There is no such strategy. He says lease-option investors can avoid triggering the due-on-sale clause in the property's mortgage if they do it "correctly." That is not true and, indeed, Kaiser never tells you how to do it "correctly." In a couple of aspects of his approach, Kaiser misleads the seller. He barely mentions all the legal complications of lease options, complications which are comprehensively explained in my special report Single-Family Lease Options. I also do not like the fact that his book has so much blank white space that I figure 82 of its 232 pages would be blank if he used normal margins and typesetting. Kaiser is also one of the many gurus who offers an expensive mentoring service. See my discussion of expensive seminars and mentoring services.
A Washington State judge ordered him to pay $3.2 million in restitution and fines to victims of his foreclosure rescue scheme. He was also teaching how to do that scheme in seminars for real estate investors. Seattle Post-Intelligencer article on the court order and copy of the court order itself.
I did an article on Kaiser's lease-option book at his behest in the 11/97 issue of my newsletter, Real Estate Investor's Monthly. I did not like his book and he did not like my review. Kaiser then published a critique of my article which I did not believe described what I said accurately. Accordingly, I am putting the whole article here. Here are some other links: http://www.atg.wa.gov/uploadedFiles/Home/News/Press_Releases/2009/kaiser%20fact%20sheet.pdf and http://www.atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?id=22822
Some of his Creative Real Estate Magazine's article authors are good, others are by guys I do not recommend. Gurus I recommend rarely write for Kessler.
Kessler was somewhat broker or guru oriented last time I saw any of his stuff. In other words, he was more about helping brokers get commissions or gurus sell their stuff than he was into helping investors make money in their investments. An experienced investor once told me much of Kesslers material depicted an agents fantasy worldreal estate the way brokers wish it was was the phrase he used. For example, one of Kesslers authors was famous for bragging that he insisted that every single client come to his office. He never went to a clients office. When a bedridden heiress begged him to come to her home, he told her to call an ambulance to take her to his office, and bragged about it at his seminars. Very creative.
Kesslers company name triggers item # 20 on my B.S. checklist.
A number of years ago, his assistant called me to say they really liked my newsletter, Real Estate Investors Monthly, and wanted to sell it to their customers if I let Kessler pay a wholesale price for it and keep the difference. She predicted many sales. I agreed to this wholesale arrangement.
Months later, they sent me one subscription sale. After that, I forgot about them. About six months later, when I had a new employee doing orders, another Kessler order arrived. I had not trained the new employee regarding Kessler orders. She sent the subscriber an invoice for the difference between the wholesale check Kessler sent and the regular subscription price. A few days later, Kesslers assistant called and gave me a tounge-lashing for embarrassing A.D. to the subscriber. I never figured out why he should be embarrassed about my not teaching my employee about the deal he arranged on subscriptions.
I recommend some stuff by people whom I do not like or who do not like me, because it would hurt my credibility and deprive my readers of good stuff if I did not do so. I do not believe Kessler has a similar policy. It appears that he regards everyone in the real estate infromation business as either in business with him, or against him and the quality of your material is secondary to that. To put it another way, if Kessler believed that my newsletter was good as his assistant told me, they should have beeen recommending it all along, including after our two-subscriber relationship. To only recommend writers who are currently in business with you strikes me as disingenuous. There are a number of people in the guru business who wont recommend you unless they make money every time they do so, and will recommend you if they can make make a buck out of it, even if they are not that impressed with your material.
Here's an email I received about Kessler.
Kessler seemed like a great guy when I met him at a convention and when I interviewed him for an article. But he once asked me to speak at a conference in Niagara Falls. I agreed and asked for a letter confirming the terms. He said he would send it. It never arrived. When the date drew near, I called to remind him I needed the letter and to make travel arrangements. He did not return my phone calls. I finally got an assistant and told her if I didn't hear in the next day or two, the agreement was off. She called back to say the conference had been canceled. I have no objection to his canceling a conference. But not sending the confirmation letter and not returning my phone calls indicate a lack of responsibility and common courtesy.
On 3/14/99, about five years after the incident in question, Kessler called to apologize. He said he thought he sent me a letter telling me the conference had been called off. He said he is not computer literate and only found out about this Web page on 3/14/99 when a customer called and told him about it.
In May of 1999, a member of a real estate club told me Kessler had treated them the same way he treated me.
On 8/14/99, Frank Verchereau told me Kessler reneged on a deal involving purchase of a six-story apartment house in Schenectady, NY after committing in writing to do the deal. Verchereau had enormous difficulty getting Kessler to return phone calls as the closing date approached.
I was told I would like this guy. His book was #1 on the Business Week best seller list. Eager to find another guy to recommend, I bought his book Rich Dad, Poor Dad in a bookstore and read it.
One of the best TV exposes on a real estate investment guru was done on this guy in 2009 by Canadian Broadcasting Corpoation. Click on this link to watch it: http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2010/road_to_rich_dad/main.html.
Rich Dad Poor Dad is one of the all-time worst financial books ever written! I was so disturbed by it that I wrote an extensive review of it.
The summer 2007 issue of the Ohio Division of Real Estate and Professional Licensing newsletter contained an extraordinary statement by a professional engineer. It told how the engineer was drawn into real estate by Kiyosaki’s book Rich Dad Poor Dad and sent on a bad path by Kiyosaki’s employees. The purpose of the statement and its being printed in the Ohio government newsletter was to warn others from making the same mistake as the engineer. You can see that newsletter at http://www.com.state.oh.us/real/documents/2007Summer.pdf. The Ohio government copy is redacted. Also, I have obtained and copied and pasted an unredated copy of it to my Web site. You can read it by clicking here. I do this because government documents are not copyrighted and because sometimes government Web sites later remove older documents.
Deceased. Some of his stuff is still around. I do not recall being impressed by it one way or the other.
Joe was a nothing-down guru in the mid-'80s. I "debated" him on a 60 Minutes segment titled "Nothing Down" on March 16, 1986. Morely Safer was the correspondent.
Land said you only needed one technique. His was buying, at a discount, a mortgage someone had taken back on the sale of a house. Then you got a new institutional mortgage for 80% of value and used the mortgage you bought at a discount as down payment. The face value of the mortgage you bought at a discount was bigger than 20% of the value of the property you were buying, so you actually pocketed several thousand dollars proceeds of the new first mortgage at closing.
Morley Safer explained it well. He said the crux of Land's technique was persuading the owner of the mortgage that it was not worth what it said, then turning around and immediately persuading the owner of the house you were buying that the mortgage was worth what it said. There is no doubt some sellers are that dumb, especially those who are trying to sell overpriced property. But there are no institutional lenders who will knowingly do that deal.
I debated Land subsequently on a conference call that included Joe, me, and Time magazine reporter Jon Hull. Land insisted that he had done this deal many times and that many lenders would do it. I asked for the address of a property where Land had done such a deal. He refused to give one, citing confidentiality. Time promised anonymity to the lender. Land still refused. I urged Morley Safer to ask the same question of Land. He did and Land refused to provide him with an address, also.
Land stopped doing real estate seminars not long after the 60 Minutes piece ran. He later did TV infomercials in which he sold audio tapes purportedly containing subliminal self-improvement messages. All you could hear was sea gulls and ocean waves. I am told that at one of his real estate seminars, Land once told an associate, "These people would buy blank tapes if I told them to." Later when he was selling the seagulls-and-wave tapes, he said, "They aren't blank, but they're pretty close."
I always thought that blank-tapes story epitomized the real estate B.S. artist segment of the guru business.
Land died January 30, 2010.
Click here to read my review of her book, The Millionaire Maker.
In the 1970s, I took some real estate courses from the Learning Annex and they were good. But my 3/22/06 San Francisco Chronicle had a full-page ad about their “Real Estate Wealth Expo” that weekend in San Francisco. It headlines Donald Trump, whose book Art of the Deal I recommmend. And it has a number of gurus whom I do not know. But it also had at least seven that I do not recommmend.
This is the latest example of previously-respected organizations jumping on the bogus real estate investment information gravy train. Yahoo! offers Rich Dad Poor Dad author Robert Kiyosaki as a daily columnist. Time-Life sponsored Kiyosaki for a while. And PBS has had Kiyosaki on TV. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, the Learning Annex’s annual gross income jumped from $5 million a year to $100 million a year when they started promising to tell people how to get rich quick in real estate. That same article said the Learning Annex news release about the Real Estate Wealth Expo called real estate the “drug of choice” in San Francisco.
Time was not that long ago when someone at such organizations would check out a speaker or columnist before hiring them and say, “We can’t associate with this guy.” Apparently, a great many organizations have fired the guy who used to do that and replaced him with a guy who just checks the sales volume of the prospective speaker or columnist.
Al Capone would have his own entrepreneurship show on PBS now if he came back.
After the San Francisco Real Estate Wealth Expo I received some emails from persons who said they attended. The general tone was that Trump, Orman, and Robbins gave good speeches, but that the other speakers were all high-pressure salesmen pushing expensive stuff. That sounds like those three and perhaps Kiyosaki were paid to speak, but that the other “speakers” were actually exhibitors who paid the Learning Annex ($5,000 each according to the 3/28/06 Contra Costa Times) for the right to pitch their products and services to those who came to hear Trump and his fellow celebrities. Two or three attendees told me they were planning to exercise their federally-mandated three-day right of recission to get their money back.
I am also told that Learning Annex staff manned the order booths for each guru selling stuff. Just based on general business practices, I suspect that was because they were taking a cut of each sale and did not trust the gurus in question to give an accurate accounting of their sales. Not trusting the speakers that you foisted off on the public would make for an interesting line of questions at a class-action trial of such a sponsor. I also suggest that you follow the Learning Annex’s example and that you not trust the speakers either.
So it would appear that Learning Annex charged you to hear a bunch of sales pitches, charged the salesmen for the right to pitch you, and charged you and them again in the form of a cut when you bought. Normal practice would be that when you pay for information, you get pure information, not commercials. When you get information free, as on TV or radio, you expect to have to put up with commercials. Some products, like Time magazine, charge for subscriptions and sell advertising. As a consequence, the subscription prices are cheaper than they would have to be if they had no ads.
Learning Annex seems to have charged attendees primarily to listen to commmercials and only provided four paid speakers who were not hawking products in their speeches. I doubt that so many would have signed up had they known that was what they were getting. Many of those quoted in the Contra Costa Times story said they were unhappy with the amount of selling they were subjected to. They thought it was going to be all information.
Oddly, I got a call late Friday night, 3/24/06, at my home. Some woman with a very thick foreign acccent babbled at me. When I made her repeat it slowly, I learned that she was offering me free VIP tickets to the San Francisco Learning Annex Real Estate Wealth Expo. “I have no interest in that,” I told her. What do you suppose that was about?
I received an eamil inviting me to exhibit at some real estate expo a year or two ago. It named the other exhibitors who had signed up. I sent back an email declining to particiate in their “fraudfest.”
I have also heard that an honest speaker/exhibitor was at one real estate expo type gathering and was open about his disagreement with many of the other products and services being sold there. I further heard that the dishonest exhibitors there complained bitterly about this and theratened the sponsor with a boycott. And finally I heard that ever since, that sponsor runs all potential exhibitors/speakers by some sleazy Utah organization (See item #42 of my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist for more on Utah-based real estate investment information organizations) to make sure they are all sufficiently scummy and that the exhibit floors and speaker rooms are not darkened by any more honest exhibitors or speakers.
$9,000 seminars. Gets people to attend live infomercials. I would love to charge $9,000 for a seminar, but I can't quote such a price and keep a straight face.
I listened to one of his tapes. It was the same old stuff all the other gurus preach. As is typical of other gurus, LeGrand left out much of the disadvantages of the various techniques. He also struck me as overbearingwhich is irrelevant unless you are susceptible to being overly influenced by such people. When I get some time I will list some specifics here.
One of my readers told me our distributor (Access) went bankrupt taking our money with them. It turned out that they were purchased by a company that also owned Ron Legrands BS factory six months before we took them on as a distributor.
Another reader tells me LeGrand says he was once a carnival skeeball concession operator. Why am I not surprised? In general the gurus I do not recommend are salesmen, not real estate guys. Both carnival barkers and the majority of real-estate gurus are salesmen. Real estate investment requires far more than just sales skills. Telling people that you are a real-estate-investment expert, on the other hand, only requires sales skills.
Here is a link to a real estate scam article mainly about another guy but Ron LeGRand is mentioned in the article: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/07/17/3589645/leader-of-grand-strand-real-estate.html
Click on this link to see an SEC suit against Legrand: http://securitiesarbitration.blogspot.com/2011/07/sec-charges-ronald-f-legrand-and.html
On 2/25/06, he sent me a large post card pushing his free Teleseminar. It said on the front,
“Hear how one man owns over 810 apartment units, and hasn’t spoken to a tenant in over 4 years! Find out how you can cash in, too!” [Emphasis aded]
A tenant is a type of customer. Any businessman who avoids all contact with his customers is incompetent at best. Furthermore, the landlord-tenant relationship is special. When you provide someone’s home, you have additional moral, ethical, and legal obligations above and beyond those of a businessman who only provides, say, toothpicks to a customer.
You have responsibilities for the tenant’s health and safety and that of their family members and visitors. By providing him or her with a home, you are probably getting more of the tenant’s monthly income than any other firm they do business with. You owe your tenants a comparable and appropriate level of attention.
What, pray tell, is the name and location of this man who owns 810 apartments? His tenants should be asked if Lindahl’s statement is accurate. For one thing, when you make a representation in an advertisement, you must have a reasonable basis for it under the Federal Trade Commission Act. Someone should verify that the statement is true by tracking down the 810-unit owner and getting him and his tenants to go on the record that it is accurate.
Then there is the issue of that 810-unit owner getting sued for negligence. I can almost guarantee that if the plaintiff’s attorney finds out what Lindahl said, the landlord in question will be forced to read that statement to the jury at his trial. And I can guarantee that he will be sued. Anyone who owns more than a dozen or so units is likely to be sued by one or more tenants. 810 units? Forget about it. People who own that many units are probably being sued continuously by one tenant or another.
Lindahl’s return address is Massachusetts. That is one of the most anti-landlord states in the Union. A MA landlord who got caught making a statementalng with the “cash in” comment like that might find an angry mob carrying torches and pitchforks in front of his stately abode. He would surely be quoted in the tenant newsletters
Then there is the issue of Lindahl himself. Is he a landlord? Most gurus claim to be. If so, does he also avoid contact with his tenants? Does he approve of not speaking to any of 810 tenants in over four years? The fact that he put it on the front of his post card strongly suggests that he does approve.
What if Lindahl himself gets sued for negligence by a tenant? I do not know how many units he owns if any. But if he owns any, it may not matter how many because he is depicting himself as a deep-pockets guy with his guru advertising. He is making himself an attractive litigation target. He, too, will be required to read that statement to the jury if he gets sued for negligence by a tenant. No doubt they will also make him read the other statement on the front of the post cardthe one about making “a killing” from the tenants to whom certain landlords do not lower themselves to speak. How would the plaintiff’s attorney find out about it if Lindahl did not send them one of the post cards? They will Google Lindahl’s name and find this Web page. Then they will demand a copy of the post card during discovery.
Here’s a free property management tip from my book How to Manage Residential Property for Maximum Cash Flow and Resale Value. Find an excuse to call about one tenant per month per building. Use the list of questions in my book to ask the tenant about various aspects of the building and service you are providing. Put your name, address, and phone number on the exterior wall of your building’s office so tenants and prospective tenants can easily and quickly get in touch with you if they feel the need. When they call, use that same list of questions after you deal with their reason for calling.
That’s your name. Not the name of some employee or agent who has an incentive to keep you in the dark about problems you need to know about.
Here’s another free property management tip. If you don’t want to talk to tenants, stay the heck out of the landlord business. The responsible, competent landlords don’t want your kind giving them a bad name.
Here is an email I received from Lindahl and my response.
I recently read your piece on me at your website.
The reason I have not talked to my tenants in over 4 years (it's actually 6 now) is because I use good qualitity managment companies to do that.
I am not a landlord, I leave that up to my managers. I'm an investor. As an investor, it's my job to grow my business and create more cash flows. I leave the managing to others.
I agree with you that our tenants are our "gold". And I run my business and teach my students accordingly. I let them know that all phone call must be returned the same day. All maintenenance request should be completed with in 72 hours with emergencies done within 24 hours.
I instruct my managers to provide a safe, clean and friendly place to live for my tenants. My managers show my tenants the respect they deserve.
As you know, tenant turn over is our biggest expense, therefore we have numerous tenant retention programs to reduce that number to it lowest levels.
For the first three and one half years of owning multi's, I was the manager. I took those phone calls on a daily basis and a lot of time, did the maintenance.
Though I learned that the more time I spend on my properties, the less time I had to grow my business so I switched to using property managers. I instruct my students to find good property managers on the IREM.org website. I tell them to locate a CPM or ARM in their area.
You are right about Massachusetts and it's tenant laws! They have kept me (and now my managers) on my toes.
John, I have been familiar with your sight for years and have gone to it as a reference point on many occasions.
I hope this e-mail clears up any misunderstanding.
I would be happy to send a copy of my home study course for review. I beleive that you will find it a very practical guide on how to do the business of owning multi-family porperties. There's no fluff, just a step by step how to on how a lanscaper living in a one bedroom apartment was set financial free by owning apartment buildings.
Let me know if you would like a copy and I'll send one out today.
Please send it. Although I have others that I have not yet gotten to.
The property management industry you depict does not exist in my experience and observation. I recommend against ever hiring an independent %-of-the-gross property manager. They are almost universally dishonest (e.g., take kickbacks from subs, pocket rent on apartments that the owner believes are vacant) or negligent or most likely, both. It is also in their interest to have you charge less than market rents and to pay more than market salaries and independent contractor fees because it makes their jobs much easier. For example, below-market rents cause a waiting list to develop and it is far easier to call the next person on the waiting list than it is to market the apartments. This, obviously, costs the owner tens of thousands of dollars in lost rent and hundreds of thousands in lost building value.
Rather, I say you should do it in-house with salaried employees or yourself.
In any event, the use of a property-management firm does not preclude owner contact with tenants. Nor is it wise for an owner not to communicate with tenants just because he has a property-management firm. For one thing, he may find out about misbehavior or neglect by his property management firm.
I suspect that you have found that tenants and being a landlord turns off prospective buyers of your investment information and that you have come up with this "not communicating with tenants" shtick because it help sales of your investment information products, not because it is a good way to operate apartments either for you or for your students.
Tenant turnover is not your biggest expense. Property taxes are. My management book makes the argument that there is virtually no tenant turnover cost at all. If you are big enough, your ads run continuously. Any refurbishing that is done must be deferred maintenance or it would not be needed. Any damage done by the old tenants is covered by deductions from their security deposits.
John T. Reed
Author of the best-selling book How to Become Financially Independent by Investing in Real Estate. Excellent book. But his subsequent books were lousy. His seminar on the Nickerson method was great. But his other seminars were terrible. Formed many Al Lowry Investor Clubs around the U.S. Declared bankruptcy in 1987. Doing foreclosure seminars last I heard.
Big on regurgitating other people's ideas, including some of mine.
I took Member of the Appraisal Institute courses in the mid-1970s. They were thought-provoking and interesting, but too ivory tower. I thought it was telling that CCIM courses were given at hotels while MAI course were given at college campuses. They now give some in hotels, but they are still pretty ivory tower. Take these only if you are trying to leave no stone unturned in your quest to become a real estate investment expert.
Seattle-based property manager and nationally syndicated real estate guru. Disappeared leaving a note in which he referred to himself as a "total failure, thief, and embezzler." Returned and pled guilty to "fraud by radio." On 8/21/98, Martin was sentenced to 46 months in prison and ordered to pay $1.68 million restitution. He almost got a much stiffer punishment. After he agreed to a plea bargain setting the prison term at 31 to 46 months, he wrongly deposited an additional $750 in rent checks from an old client's apartment building into his personal account. Dishonest and dumb.
His Cash Flow, Inc. was raided and shut down by the FBI, IRS, and USPS on 5/9/97 according to the Orlando Sentinel. The paper said the company had been charged with racketeering and that it was being investigated by the Florida Attorney General for deceptive advertising and unfair business practices based on more than 50 complaints about inability to get refunds. The Wisconsin State Bureau of Consumer Protection published a Guide for Wisconsin TV stations which lists several "Questionable infomercials," among them those of William Mc Corkle, a/k/a Cash Flow, Inc. and Fortunes in Foreclosures. Tom Brokaw did a "Fleecing of America" piece on McCorkle on 9/8/98. NBC TV Dateline did another longer piece on 5/19/99. It revealed that McCorkle lied about his background, used actors and friends to make false testimonials in his infomercials, rejected all deals brought to him by at least one of his customers, and rented for only a few hours the executive jet and yacht which appeared in his infomercial with his name painted on them. See my guru testimonials page for details.
A federal grand jury in Orlando indicted McCorkle and his wife on 90 counts of fraud, telemarketing conspiracy, and money laundering on 6/21/98. The indictment accused him and his associates of defrauding people out of $28 million including refusing to give refunds, failing to provide money for deals found by customers, and misleading customers about his true net worth. McCorkle's lawyer, F. Lee Bailey, argued that the refund pledge was mere "puffing" that was never intended to be taken at face value.
McCorkle and his wife Chantal were convicted of fraud and money laundering and are in jail awaiting sentencing. They got 24 years. They already forfeited their home, four cars, and $7 million in cash seized in a raid in May of 1997. The FL attorney general's office says they have several similar investigations in progress at their Orlando office.
My $29.95 book How to Buy Real Estate for at Least 20% Below Market Value has a chapter on buying pre-foreclosures (before the auction) and a chapter on buying foreclosures (at the auction). You should also read books by John Beck and Val Cabot.
Florida Real Estate Commission Report dated Volume 3 Number 1 FY 2000-2001, page10. Disciplinary Actions...
Orlando: Willaim J. McCorkle; Broker revoked effective 12/30/1999; found guilty of a crime which directly relates to the activities of a licensed real estate broker or involving moral turpitude or fraudulent or dishonest dealing; guilty of being confined in a state or federal prison. Also wife named Chantal (sales person) had the same revocation and reasons.
Publisher of Paper Source newsletter and producer of an annual conference on note brokering. It's not my area of expertise, but Bill seems to be a squared-away guy. I have never heard a bad thing about him. I recommend him to anyone interested in note brokering.
Dont know much about him. But from what little I have heard about him, it would not surprise me to learn that he put his childhood Good Fairy money in a family limited partnership with a corporate general partner who was a trustee of his pension fund which was invested in a Cayman Islands trust. He often did joint seminars with John Schaub.
I got an e-mail from a reader saying, Your comments about Jack Miller are right on the mark. See also David Martin letter.
I attended one of their free lectures. They had me going about government auctions until I asked John Beck about them. He said, "Did they tell you that you cannot get the cars you buy so cheap off the docks until you modify them at great expense to meet U.S. and California standards?" And he pointed out a bunch of other details which the Milins had omitted from their presentation and which wiped out the attractiveness of what the Milins were pushing.
This guy is a former star of the A&E TV series Flip This House.
I wrote a review of Flip That House, a competing program on the Discovery Channel. After I did, Flip This House tried to hire me. I said I would visit their show and write about it, but not be hired by them. I never heard from them again. I suspect they were trying to co-opt me.
I did not feel another review was needed to cover both “…This…” and “…That…” But there is now a great one on page 54 of the July 15, 2013 Forbes magzine. Here is a link to it for the moment; it will probably not work forever: http://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2013/06/26/meet-armando-montelongo-the-home-flipping-huckster-wholl-make-50m-this-year/
They take Montelongo apart piece by piece and mock him while doing it. If you spend money on his stuff without reading that article, you deserve what you get. If you spend money on his stuff after you read the article, you deserve to have a guardian appointed for your finanical affairs.
Armando’s brother and Flip This House co-star David Montelongo and his wife Melina filed Chapter 7 (total liquidation) bankruptcy in May 2013 claiming $31,000 in assets and debts of $600,000. The bankruptcy petition said they own no real estate and live in rented apartment.
Among other troubles the Montelongo brothers were in litigation against each other.
Myers wrote Buy It, Fix It, Sell It, Profit, a book which has a title awfully similar to Robert Irwin's Find It, Buy It, Fix It. The book was cheap and OK for the most part. The best book on renovation is my $29.95 book Fixers. It's always wise to buy the cheap information on the subject before you buy expensive courses or seminars.
Myers has a few original ideas, but for the most part his book states age-old, often-written-about truisms. He also says some things which I think are nuts. He's big on pretty packaging of deals to attract investors. He tells you to seek out a type of real estate agent which I do not believe exists. I was a real estate agent for two years. Like many beginners, he is enamored of nothing-down deals. He likes partnerships. I say stay away from them. He also sells some more expensive stuff. I got the following from a reader: "Although his book is great, his course guide needs improvement. The cassettes are poorly recorded and seem to be edited severely. Buy the book. But save your money on the course."
Click here to read my review of his book, The 16% Solution.
One reader of this page who was extremely unhappy with my opinion on one or more of his favorite gurus demanded to know how I rated my own mother. When I thought about it it, I realized I had discussed getting real-estate advice from her in Chapter 5 of my Special Report How To Get Started In Real Estate Investment. You cannot get advice from my mom, however. She was a cigarette smoker and died of lung cancer in 1993. If you smoke, quit. If you dont smoke, dont start.
My critics would have liked her. I used to send my mom a copy of my Real Estate Investors Monthly newsletter each month. Once, when I called her just after she read it, she said, Whatre youthe Don Rickles of real estate?
Napier seems to be a note and mobilehome guru. Im uncertain because I have not paid close attention to his career. My only conversation with him was not very satisfying. See John Schaub below. Napier is very popular with his seminar graduates. Although I got an email from a guy who disputes that. Another reader wrote to agree with the first. Napier sends me his newsletter, but find it hard to read because of its rambling style, lack of subheads, and one-column format.
He is fascinated by the magic of compound interest. I was too the first time I heard about itin fifth grade (Where I heard the puzzle, If you start with a dollar and double it every day, how many days does it take to reach a million: 21.) His information is apparently OK as far as it goes, but much of it seems to focus on stuff that I would not write about because its too basic.
Devotes much of his talks to a Country boy Jimmy Napier outsmarts the city slickers theme. His preoccupation with his country-boy origins is beyond my comprehension, although I must admit that many other country boys, including my late father, seem to suffer from the same rural inferiority complex. There may be a number of other country boys in this list of gurus. I wouldn't know. Napier is one of only two who think its a big enough deal to tell everyone about it repeatedly (Joe Land is the other).
In case anyone else thinks the population density of ones childhood neighborhoods is relevant to real estate expertise, here are mine. I spent my elementary school years in Wildwood, NJ, a seashore resort. I guess that makes me a beach boy. From sixth to ninth grade, I lived in Harrington, DE, a small farm community. Son of a gun. I, too, am a country boy! I went to high school in Collingswood, NJ, a suburb of Philadelphia. Whew, that was close! I almost became one of those city slickers. Maybe I can claim some additional country-boy status from Collingswood High School. My fellow Colls High grads include John Sterban, who is one of the Oak Ridge Boys, and Michael Landon, who starred on Bonanza and Little House on the Prairie.
Napiers real estate advice is fine and his prices are reasonable. Hes a bit too basic and a bit too much of a rerun of Ma and Pa Kettle for my taste. But the interesting thing about him to me is that he has managed to acquire a bit of a cult following. Id rate his real estate analysis about a 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. But his admirers seem to rate him a 9. I think they are unable to tell the difference between real estate expertise on the one hand and personality and showmanship on the other.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Note items # 8 and 20.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Note items # 8 and 20.
Click here for a review of Neal’s book Streetwise Investing in Rental Housing.
Here is an email I got about him. He is interesting because he seems to use the standard marketing in the get-rich-quick seminar industry, but he somehow managed to inspire the Federal Trade Commission to go after him. If they wanted, they could do the same to virtually every get-rich-quick guru.
A repeat offender who boasted to consumers that they could earn a six-figure income if they purchase and use his $10,000 "asset protection service" business program is been barred permanently from telemarketing and from selling any type of business program in the future, according to an April 23 order entered in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri (FTC v. Neiswonger, E.D. Mo., No. 4:96CV2225SNL, 4/23/07).
[You can see the various FTC and court documents at http://search.ftc.gov/query.html?qt=Neiswonger&col=hsr&col=news&col=full.]
The Federal Trade Commission previously charged Richard C. Neiswonger with falsely claiming consumers would make a substantial income and with failing to disclose that his company's "references" were paid to give favorable reviews.
A 1997 order barred those deceptive practices, but Neiswonger violated the order by using the same deceptive business practices in his most recent scheme. Furthermore, the FTC charged that Neiswonger failed to disclose significant facts to consumers, especially his time spent in federal prison for money laundering and wire frauda violation of the 1997 order.
Neiswonger, his business partner, William S. Reed, and their firm, Asset Protection Group, Inc., told consumers with no sales experience that, by purchasing their "APG Program," they would become well-paid business consultants selling APG's asset protection services.
For $9,800, consumers received training materials, a one-day training session, and a business affiliation with APG, which defendants claimed would provide consumers with carefully screened "qualified prospective clients."
The defendants promised consumers that they would readily make a six-figure income; the company even provided references that consumers could call who would back up their claims. In fact, consumers paid thousands of dollars for cold-call lists, rather than pre-screened clients. Not only were they unable to achieve six-figure incomes, according to the receiver appointed to oversee the business, approximately 94 percent of the consultants failed to earn back their initial purchase fee for the program.
Only one person ever earned a six-figure income, while hundreds of consumers lost money, the FTC recounted. Furthermore, the company's references were paid to deliver positive reviews of their experience. The FTC also noted that the 1997 order required that Neiswonger provide written proof to the FTC of a $100,000 performance bond to it before marketing any program, which he failed to do while continuing to market his business opportunity program.
Judge Stephen N. Limbaugh ruled that Neiswonger's new deceptive business practices violated the previous order entered against him and that Reed and APG also were bound by the order because they were aware of the order and acted in concert with him and his deceptive business practices.
The court found that Neiswonger, Reed, and APG are in contempt of the 1997 order, and it entered a second permanent injunction against Neiswonger, banning him for life from advertising, marketing, promoting, offering for sale, selling, or otherwise inducing participation in any program. Neiswonger also is banned from telemarketing. A hearing has been scheduled for June 25 to determine whether Reed and APG should be subject to a similar injunction.
Judge Limbaugh also rejected Neiswonger's offer of $140,000 as "a drop in the bucket in rectifying the situation perpetrated by the defendants' fraudulent conduct," and he instructed the court-appointed receiver to calculate how much the defendants had gained from the scheme before he orders a final monetary judgment against the defendants.
The pleadings, order, and court's memorandum are available at http://www.ftc.gov--the FTC's Web site--and from the Consumer Response Center, Room 130, 600 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W., Washington, DC 20580; (202) 382-4357. "
Father of all real estate gurus. Author of How I Turned $1,000 into $5,000,000 in Real Estate in My Spare Time and How to Make a Fortune Today Starting From Scratch. Fabulous books on renovating apartment buildings. Al Lowrys first book is also excellent and is about Nickersons method. It is still cheapor at least it was before I wrote this item.
Southern California seminar guy and investor. Teaches various bargain-purchase techniques. I liked everything in his material except his discussion of mortgages in states other than CA and so stated in a 5/96 article in my newsletter. I do not recommend his Twenty-First Century materials.
James Phillip Piccolo filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy in Phoenix on 8/27/90 (petition #2:90-bk-09050-RGM). On 6/16/92, a Phoenix grand jury indicted James Phillip Piccolo for “Theft, a class 3 felony and Trafficking in stolen property, first degree, a Class 2 felony,” namely, the theft of a 1981 Mercedes Benz and the sale of its parts (No. CR92-91584). Piccolo pled guilty on 12/7/92 and was found guilty by Judge David L. Grounds of the Superior Court of Arizona, Maricopa County.
On 3/23/07, I received an email saying that the Piccolo who is the Nouveau Riche executive is named James Patrick Piccolo not James Phillip Piccolo. He said that he had a credit report that said this. I am not allowed to get credit reports. Actually, as I understand it, neither is the person who told me this, at least for this purpose. You can order credit reports on a person for other reasons, but not to send emails out about credit report contents to persons like me who are not prospective creditors.
I would appreciate it if someone could clear this up. And I wonder why I have not heard about this sooner from Piccolo or his organization.
On 8/7/07, I got an email saying CNN Money had an article on their Web site that among other things, has Piccolo confirming his felony conviciton. You can see that article at http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/06/magazines/fsb/real_estate.fsb/?postversion=2007080706.
So now we’ll have to speculate about who was trying to trick me into thinking it was not the same guy. Gee, I wonder who would benefit from my removing mention of the felony conviction?
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru
Phillips is a real estate guru who is best known for real estate loan advice. The Federal Trade Commission fined him $50,000 in 1991 and ordered to stop making claims he could not prove. Phillips did not pay the fine and was sued by the FTC in 1995 for $2.1 million. An FTC spokesman said Phillips exaggerated the ease with which real estate loans could be obtained. Phillips also owes Texas a $30,000 fine.
Phillips used to sell some of my books. His financial guy was very angry at me because I always made them pay in advance with a cashiers check.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Jane Bryant Quinn did a detailed article about Pino in the 6/8/98 issue of Newsweek and in her newspaper column. According to Quinn, Pino is an attorney who was reprimanded by the Florida Bar for misusing an investor's funds. Pino says he paid the money back. He also worked for gurus Charles Givens, Mark Haroldsen and Dave Del Dotto (which see).
A reader sent me an Assurance of Voluntary Compliance filed in court in Davidson County, Tennessee in 1996. The barely legible docket number appears to be 96-3631-III. It is labeled State of Tennessee versus Diversified Cash Flow Institute, Inc. (Pino is President and General Counsel of DCFI). It says The Division of Consumer Affairs...and the Attorney General conducted an investigation of [DCFI's] business practices. These practices include the following:...using earnings claims that are not representative of the results an average participant in the training program could expect; making potentially misleading statements about the value or cost of the training program; stating that the training program was associated with a university when it was not;...and overstating the value of certification offered by [DCFI]...the Division and the Attorney General determined that certain acts and practices of [DCFI] violated the Tennessee Consumer Protection Act of 1977. [DCFI] neither admits nor denies any wrongdoing...and gives this assurance...in order to avoid the expense of litigation. The court papers state that the DCFI training program cost $6,995.
Interestingly, the Assurance requires DCFI to make verifiable substantiation of...illustrations that may not reflect the average experience of a graduate...available on request. The word illustrations apparently refers to examples of student success or student testimonials. I am very suspicious of the testimonials provided by seemingly average persons on guru infomercials. The Assurance requires DCFI to stop saying the cash flow industry is unregulated when, in fact, TN law requires a brokers license for some of the activities DCFI covers. The Assurance orders DCFI to refrain from discouraging consumers from taking notes or otherwise keeping a careful record of the information [DCFI] provides during the introductory workshop.
One item really bugged me. It orders DCFI to not encourage consumers to go into debt in order to take the DCFI course. They do that?!
Janes assistant Temma Ehrenfeld attended Pinos $5,995 five-day boot camp called The Diversified Cash Flow Institute. 33 people attended that 3/97 session. Temma called all of them 15 months later to see how they had done. One man had grossed $1,050 on two deals---a net loss of $5,995 - $1,050 = $4,945 after deducting his "boot camp" tuition, more if you include the expenses of traveling to Austin. No one else whom Temma was able to talk to had done any deals. It should be noted that Pino grossed 33 x $5,995 = $197,835 for his five days of teaching. Four of the graduates of this boot camp called it a waste of their time and money. I suspect the others are still in denial.
Is December of 2004, a TN administrative judge ordered the State of TN to reimburse Dynetech, a Pino company, for $133,000 costs of successfully defending a cease and desist action.
Sold "Inside Secrets" of wealth and falsely promised to invest in the deals brought to him by followers. Sentenced to 51 months in federal prison. U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz also fined Polk $250,000 and ordered him to pay $2 million in restitution in a mail-fraud case against Peak Performance and its successor, Success Achievement Systems. "The government has made an overwhelming showing of fraud from the inception of the whole business," Motz said.
Click here to read my review of his book, The Real Estate Game.
A much-traveled seminar speaker. I took a Lowry-Nickerson finance seminar from him in San Francisco in 1979. It was appallingly unethical. At one break, the guy next to me commented, erroneously, I dont think theres an honest man in the room. The audience had repeatedly laughed at Powelsons cornucopia of tricks, like listing yourself as a vice-president on your business card so you could pose as president when a mortgage lender called to confirm your employment. Powelson himself thought the stuff was unethical. He commented all weekend. I dont advocate these things. Im just telling you what some of my students have said. But almost the entire weekend consisted of such I don't advocate..." advice.
This guy, J.C. Sbicca, copied my write up on Carleton Sheets and put it at his Web site without my permission and without saying that I was the one who wrote it. He also had the words “Copyright 2004 All rights reserved” on that page indicating that he is the owner of the stuff he stole from me and that you’d better not steal it from him. Jerk!
2009 UPDATE: In an effort to optimize our organic search engine results, my son did a Yahoo search of "john t reed" to see what the results were. After 2 pages of our own site and a wikipedia entry, the 4th result is a review from programcritique.com where the author falsely accuses John T. Reed of lying. We would ignore the issue if he didn't rank so high with a lie about me. Here is their review of John T. Reed...
"ProgramCritque does not recommend Mr. Reed because of the attack that he levied on John C Sbicca the owner of ProgramCritique. Although he has seemingly built a small successful business Mr. Reed is a complete hothead and although he is highly educated in real estate and has written a number of books on that subject Mr Reed; in life he comes across emotionally and relationally a very small person. ProgramCritique has had a very good review of Mr. Reed as noted above, and although that is the case he seems to find within himself to resort to name calling, impuning Mr. Sbicca's character, and levying false accusations."
My accusation is not false. ProgramCritique.com plagiarized my site, and its easy to prove. Mr. Sbicca deleted it from his site and denied it ever happened. It appears he's not familiar with the Wayback Machine (aka archive.org). This website can show you what a web site looked like years ago. Think of it like a surveillance camera for website content.
2003 - Text written by John T. Reed about Carleton Sheets is first posted. (see all versions of johntreed.com here)
2004 - First archive of ProgramCritique.com shows up for Oct. 9, 2004 (see all versions of programcritique.com here)
2004 - PLAGIARISM OCCURS: Text originally published by John T. Reed shows up on ProgramCritique.com site on 12/08/2004 (you can see the date embedded in that link - "...web/20041208...")
2006 - John T. Reed discovers the plagiarism and writes brief paragraph about it (its the first paragraph of this review under the subhead "Programcritique.com")
2008 - ProgramCritique.com writes favorable review of John T. Reed
Some time in 2008 or 2009, Mr. Sbicca deleted the plagiarized text from his Carleton Sheets review and also modified his favorable review of me, accusing me of lying, calling me a "hothead" and a "very small person." I don't know the exact date that he removed it from his site because the newest archives for both sites are from early 2008.
Sbicca deleted the plagiarized parts (you can see the passage that was on his site in 2004 is no longer there). Unfortunately for Mr. Sbicca, the internet never forgets.
Mr. Sbicca lied and got caught. Twice. He lied when he portrayed actions by me as his own when he plagiarized me, and he lied about plagiarizing me.
Here is the 2004 version of his site.I have italicized the plagiarized parts which you can confirm are on our web site in 2003.
2) “Carleton H. Sheets a.k.a. Carlton Sheets, Carleton Sheets, Carleton Sheets.
I previously described Sheets as a former Al Lowry instructor. He wrote me a letter saying he wasn’t a Lowry instructor. The letter also complained about being lumped in with Robert Allen. I have since learned that Sheets was a pitchman for Nothing Down author Robert Allen, that is, he was the guy who made speeches to get people to sign up for Allen’s weekend seminar. Seems to me Sheets should have mentioned that in his letter to me.
He also protested that he no longer does infomercials from a yacht in Florida, although he admits he did one scene from a yacht 12 or 14 years ago. In his letter to me, Sheets bragged that he recently did a nothing-down purchase. I asked for the address and name of the lender. No response. Sheets’ letter says he has been a full-time real estate investor for nearly 29 years. The phrase full-time real estate investor catches my eye. Such people are rare. Most of the real-estate millionaires I know only do it part-time.
It’s kind of the nature of real estate: part business and part investment. Sheets’ partner Mark Holocek admitted to me that Sheets now spends less than 40 hours per week on real estate investment, but that’s all he does. Well, except for appearing in infomercials. In his letter to me, Sheets claimed, I am buying, selling and rehabbing property on a weekly basis. I asked him for the addresses of the properties he had bought, sold, or rehabbed in the last three months. No response.
Why would a guru brag to me about his purchases, sales, and rehabs, and then refuse to provide addresses, especially when he ought to know I am going to tell my readers about it? It can’t be privacy. All real estate transactions, including lenders, are publicly recorded. Rehab generally requires a building permit, which is also public. Some gurus refuse to provide addresses because they simply did not do the deals at all, others because there is something about the deal that would embarrass them. I do not know Sheets’ motivation for not responding to my request for addresses and a lender name.
Someone other than Sheets tells me that he is one of another rare breed. He is not a self-employed guru. Rather he has some sort of partnership or independent contractor relationship with the guys who actually promote and sell the Carleton Sheets home-study course. If that’s the case, he may be able to invest most of the time, but not full-time. I guarantee you that no guru who owns and runs his own guru business has time to also invest full-time.
Although Sheets’ prices seem relatively low, once you order you will find that you are repeatedly pressured to buy more expensive products. His inexpensive products are deliberately left vague and incomplete to get you to buy more expensive products.
A couple of people have told me they made a lot of money in real estate because of Sheets. I don’t believe it. I have read a considerable portion of his material and have yet to find any ideas that would lead to anyone making money. At worst, the people who have contacted me are simply shills who are lying. At best, they are sincere people who did, in fact, get into real estate and make money, but they are erroneously attributing their success to Sheets. If you truly think Sheets’ advice made you money, please tell me which one of Sheets’ books gave you the ideas you used to make money, and the page and line numbers of the idea or ideas in question. I suspect that if any of these people are sincere, they will be surprised to find that they cannot cite a single specific piece of Sheets’ advice that helped them, other than his general statement that you can make money in real estate.
The real-estate world has long been inhabited by thousands of successful people who got into real estate because of some bogus guru, could not make money with the guru ideas they had so expensively purchased, but ended up discovering other, legitimate ways to make money in real estate on their own. Most of these folks are intelligent enough to recognize that they were taken by the guru and succeeded more in spite of him than because of him. But a small percentage of people are sufficiently dimwitted and easily manipulated that they retain their love for their guru long after they should have noticed that his stuff really did not work and they actually made their money using a different approach.”
If you are going to buy Mr. Sheets or for that matter any other no money down gurus real estate info, definitely buy it second hand as inexpensively as possible. Read through everything and learn as much as you can from this information and figure out how you can successfully get into real estate, but definitely do not dilute yourself into thinking that no money down deals are just going to find you, or for that matter any real estate deal. You have to develop a successful team of people that you are surrounded by and bring something to the table. Good luck!
I do not recommend that you buy any of Mr. Sheets information first hand. I definitely do not recommend it second hand if you think for some reason that you are going to suddenly have an inside track that no one else has. This no money down stuff has been marketed for so long that the market is flooded with starry-eyed fools that real estate professionals cannot wait to get their hands on. A fool and his money are soon parted.
Click here to read my review of his book, Confessions of a Real Estate Entrepreneur.
On 3/27/06, I got the following email from this organization:
As the Executive Director of the Real Estate Investment Forum I have followed your web site through the years with a certain amount of interest. I have always found you to be an excellent voice in our business, and we have stated so from time to time on our web site.
Recently, however I have lost a great deal of respect for the views you express on your "Guru Rating Page". A number of our members, particularly the more recent subscribers, find it more than a coincidence that you have not taken the time to rate our services. You know who we are. We have been very visible on the Internet as a provider of 1-on-1 mentoring for more than five years. I have e-mailed you with an offer to review our program both in content and administration. We have offered you the opportunity to review our proprietary course information and provide you with a copy of the "Forum Workshop Live". You have not even extended the courtesy of a reply.
Your Guru page has become very disingenuous and self-serving by carefully editing out those good programs that compete directly with your material. We respect your views and hope that you can become more balanced in your presentation. I also believe that we could form an excellent strategic marketing relationship if you are interested. Perhaps we will speak.
See Fortune 21.
Reportedly advocates investing in a type of property where he or an associate gets a commission for selling it to you. In general, you should not get investment advice from persons who receive a commission if you buy the investment they recommend. An investor who went on one of Reddicks buying trips said they bought only VA repos that were listed with Realtors®. Furthermore, they told the buyers to bid 15% over asking price, which is typically market value. Why bid 15% over asking price? Because they wanted their students to be the successful bidders. Not to mention the fact that the teachers also wanted to be the successful salesmen who got the 6% commission on the dealcommissions that were inflated by 15% above what they would normally get. The teachers rationalize overpaying by predicting appreciation and urging students to hold for the long term. Ive heard that one before. Why not pay market and hold for the long term?
One of my readers sent me an email on 2/21/09 that was purportedly from Reddick and had this in its first paragraph:
Marshall Reddick Realty and Marshall Reddick Seminars are restructuring under Chapter 11 of the Bankruptcy Code. The case names are Marshall Reddick Realty, Inc., Case No. 8:09-bk-11254, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Central District of California, filed 2-17-09, and Marshall Reddick Seminars, Inc., Case No. 8:09-bk-11255, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Central District of California, filed 2-17-09.
Reddick was reportedly sued on June 18, 2007 along with Marshall Reddick Real Estate Network, Inc. (MRREN), a prominent California-based real-estate-investment club, Christopher Minter, National City Mortgage of Ohio and the following individuals and businesses based in Florida: Mary Ellen Brennan (RE/Max Realty Select), Johnathan Shirey, SB of Naples, Inc., Wilfred Arthur Morin, William Dacey III, Atlantic Contractors & Development Corp., Jack Tralongo, Sr., Jack Tralongo, Jr., Timothy M. Murphy and Market Street Mortgage Corporation.
The lawsuit, filed by the Law Offices of Andrew M. Wyatt, a Los Angeles-based law firm, the defendants were charged with 11 counts of illegal actions, including: Fraud; Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act; Untrue or Misleading Advertising; Negligent and Intentional Misrepresentation; and Unlawful, Unfair and Fraudulent Business Acts and Practices. The suit relates to the planned development of three single-family houses in Port Charlotte and Englewood, FL in 2005 and 2006.
One of Reddick's seminars is called Profiting with fixer uppers with or without the work. I have done fixer uppers and interviewed many fixers and read virtually every fixer book. I know of no way to do it without work—either carpentry, etc. or hiring carpenters, etc.—neither of which is easy.
Another of his seminars is “How to reduce your income taxes to zero.” I have written 18 editions of the book Aggressive Tax Avoidance for Real Estate Investors. In general, reducing your taxes to zero is so difficult that it almost certainly is not worth the trouble. There is a point of diminishing returns in almost everything. To eliminate state income and sales tax, you would have to move to a state with neither. I believe that means New Hampshire. To eliminate taxes on interest, you would have to put all your non-real-estate money into municipal bonds and not live in the municipality in question if that town has a city income tax. There are also disadvantages to reducing your taxes to zero, like not being eligible for social security. The main way I know to reduce your taxes to zero would be to move to New Hampshire and do nothing but buy and sell principal residences for a profit every two years.
Reddick is a PhD and was a professor of business and economics at California State University, Los Angeles until 1/00 when he retired. He also teaches at 22 other southern California colleges. I surmise Reddick is one of many real estate agents, lawyers, insurance agents, etc. who, to generate business, teach Saturday extension courses sponsored by colleges. The quality of such courses is generally good, but varies.
He also says he is a member of the National Speakers Association and holds its coveted Certified Speaking Professional designation, as does Zig Ziglar. I am a former member of NSA. I quit after just one year. There are two associations for speakers. The other is the International Platform Association. IPA seemed to consist mainly of men and women of distinctionfamous news anchors, actresses, generals, and so forthwho also make speeches. IPA members Wolf Blitzer and Colin Powell do not have the coveted Certified Speaking Professional designation; they have the even more coveted $75,000-a-pop speaking fees. NSA seemed to consist mainly of plain Janes whose only accomplishment was speaking. A 2001 survey of NSAs 4,000 members found that 21.7% made $25,000 or less a year; 11.8% made $101,- 150,000; 2.6% made more than $500,000. That leaves 63.9% unaccountend for. I assume they make zero from speaking.
Dale Carnegie said the ability to speak in public was a shortcut to distinction. The NSA people, for the most part, struck me as the type who could only achieve distinction by taking a shortcut.
I met NSA member Og Mandino and he seemed like a sharp guy. But many other NSA members seemed shameless and desperate in their need for approval from the audience. Their icon Cavett Robert was noted for crying in every speech when I was a member around 1980. (A recent NSA member said he never saw Robert cry in the four years before Roberts death.) When I attended their convention, another speaker made a joke in his speech about Robert crying in every speech. Another guy ended every speech by asking the audience to stand up and sing God Bless America. In both cases they seemed to me to be like small children crying out for attention and approval and willing to use almost any trick to get it.
At the NSA convention I went to, one woman showed a maudlin movie about herself making a parachute jump. She just signed up at a parachute school in the Yellow Pages and made one jump into the ocean, which was that schools standard landing zone. The movie included much crying and agonizing about whether to go ahead with it. Given its large size, I suspect the audience contained at least a dozen former paratroopersincluding me. It never occurred to me or my fellow paratroopers that our first jump or the training leading up to it were very interesting. None of us agonized about going through with it and no one in my large class failed to make their five jumpsor even hesitated.
NSA hero Tony Robbins has the gift of gab and he is as handsome as a comic-book action hero. But his only accomplishments, other than speaking, appear to be surviving being thrown out of his home at age 17 with $10 in his pocket, surviving bankruptcy at age 21, and losing the 38 pounds he put on when he went bankrupt. I could not tell from his bio if he graduated from high school. The lady whose claim to fame was the one Yellow Pages parachute jump has a more impressive list of non-speaking accomplishments. I have never heard Robbins say anything I disagreed with, but I bought one of his book-store cassettes for my oldest son and was disappointed with it. I find him a little glib, which is probably an occupational hazard of what he does for a living. But Robbins, like many other NSA members, has apparently never even tried to be a success at anything other than telling other people how to succeed.
NSA had some impressive guys, but most were pathetic. I do not know which category Reddick is in. But NSA was one of two organizations I have ever joined which immediately inspired me to say, Let me out of here! (The other was Mensa, which I quit after two meetings because they reeked of body odor! I kid you not.)
60 Minutes did a program about the NSA on 4/16/00. It featured Zig Ziglar and Tony Robbins. Like the 60 Minutes program I appeared on (3/16/86) regarding nothing-down seminars, the correspondent was Morley Safer. Safer made fun of the speaking business. Colin Powell was also on the program. He also gets a private plane to take him to speeches. As far as I know, he is not an NSA member.
I am told also that Reddick sets up a property-management contract with a real estate broker in the distant area where these properties are located. You should never use independent, fee-paid property managers. There are only three sound choices regarding real estate property management: do it yourself, hire a salaried employee to do it, or do not own the property. Someone should start an I hired an independent property manager horror stories Web site. It would have thousands of eager contributors, each of which would focus on one of two consistent themes: overcharges/kickbacks and neglect.
Spokesmen for Cash Flow Generator, which Russ Whitney now owns. The Russ Whitney name does not appear on the Web site as far as I can tell, but if you look at their Contact us page, it uses Russ Whitneys corporate headquarters address. See also my Russ Whitney affiliations page. Russ Whitney told me in the Fall of 2005 that John Rice had died.
Note broker guru who published Noteworthy newsletter. Producer of an annual conference on note brokering. It's not my area of expertise, but Jon seems to be a squared-away guy. I recommend him to anyone interested in note brokering.
He invited me to speak at his 2000 convention. I declined on the grounds that I do not know the note brokering business. I later learned that one of the other speakers at that convention was Robert Kiyosaki. Jeez!! Jon needs to raise his standards, both in terms of making sure the speakers have note expertise and in terms of not headlining B.S. artistsbest-selling author or not.
Heres an email I got from Richards after he read the above.
Wow! You could not have been more correct. The guy was extremely arrogant, and gave us no information about Real Estate or notes or how he made his money. He seems to have come up with one idea about investing in assets and is riding that pony to lots of best sellers. I have never been so appalled at a speaker's ability to talk for over an hour and share no substantial knowledge. How in world could he have 3 best sellers? It's frightening. In fact, I think if you look at the Wall Street Journal's list of best selling business books you will find primarily a list of simple minded garbage. (e.g. Who Moved the Cheese?)
Author of Landlording and the Eviction Book for California. Also produces software Landlording on Disk and Pushbutton Landlord. This one-time divinity student is the closest thing the real estate guru business has to a saint. (Some would observe that ain't saying much.) I highly recommend anything he does.
Click here to read my review of his new book, What's a Landlord To Do? Landlording Q&A's.
Loan broker guru. Not my area of expertise. Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Previously, I did not include Setphen Roulac here because he seemed mainly oriented towards institutitonal investors. However, he came out with a book that is aimmed at laymen so I now add him to the list. Click here to read a review of that book. Go to http://www.roulacglobal.com/f3/web/home.aspx?c=9b219323-88bb-407a-b960-821ed2ba950d&n=c4982b1f-8944-4db7-93ad-68bf4ccfcdb7 to get the book.
Experienced investor, contractor, attorney. Gives much high-quality information for very little cost. Similar to John Beck for those of you who know him. Seastrand single-handedly discovered, exploited, and destroyed the assessment-district tax lien certificate approach in California. He destroyed it by getting publicity about it which, in turn, caught the attention of California legislators (Seastrand is in the state capital, Sacramento) who promptly outlawed it. See also David Martin letter.
This guy copied my write up on Carleton Sheets and put it at his Web site without my permission and without saying that I was the one who wrote it. He also has the words “Copyright 2004 All rights reserved” on that page indicating that he is the owner of the stuff he stole from me and that you’d better not steal it from him. Jerk!
2009 update: Programcritique.com accuses me of lying about this. See my debunking of their lie here.
And here is a link to his wife’s arrest on the same day on the same charges.
I attended most of his seminar and I thought it was good. He said his seminar attendees bought For Sale By Owner properties at bargain prices during every one of his seminars. But, to my surprise, he was unable to give me a single name of such a person so I could interview them and write about their bargain...other than Jimmy Napier, another real estate guru. Napier confirmed that he had attended a Schaub seminar and purchased a FSBO as a result. He told me the price he paid but refused to tell me the market value of the property at the time he bought it so I could gauge the extent of his bargain. He kept repeating that you could never tell what a property is worth until you sold it. That, of course, is baloney. Nobody buys a property without first assuring himself that he is paying no more than market value. Smart bargain purchasers make sure they are paying at least 20% less than market value and they cannot sell the property before they buy it in order to ascertain the market value.
Schaub is extremely popular with, and highly regarded by, real estate investors who have taken his Making It Big on Little Deals seminar. See also David Marin letter.
Click here to read my review of his book, Building Wealth One House at a Time.
Here is an email I got on 3/23/10:
I bought several books of yours. I like them. I might subscribe your newsletters. I read your comments regarding John schaub. I did attend several of his seminars. I did buy one property in Garden Grove (California) for sale By owner from the sellers I met during the seminar but 6 months later when their listing was expired. I bought $184,000 for SFH (4 bedrooms + 1.5 bath), $24,000 down, 5% simple interest (market value $250,000) . I didn’t have to pay the sellers the first 24 months because I had to fix the house. I paid $1,000.00 the subcontractor for 18 months with my $1,800 / month of rent.
Click here to read my review of his book, Finding Your Fortune in Repossessed Real Estate.
Click here to read my review of his book, Enough.
Scruggs has written a couple of books about mobilehome investing. I like everything about them except one piece of advice where he says you should pretend to be extremely concerned and upset about minor maintenance items in order to convince the sellers to lower their prices. You should not do that, because it's dishonest. One guru described Scruggs to me as a more articulate and readable Jimmy Napier (in terms of real-estate approach, not country-boy themes). A visitor to this site sent me an email about Napier and Scruggs.
Mark Holocek, Sheets associate, was kind enough to send me two boxes of Sheets books and tapes. I put my analysis of them on a separate page.
I previously described Sheets as a former Al Lowry instructor. He wrote me a letter saying he wasnt a Lowry instructor. The letter also complained about being lumped with Robert Allen. I have since learned that Sheets was a pitchman for Nothing Down author Robert Allen, that is, he was the guy who made speeches to get people to sign up for Allens weekend seminar. Seems to me Sheets should have mentioned that in his letter to me.
He also protested that he no longer does infomercials from a yacht in Florida, although he admits he did one scene from a yacht 12 or 14 years ago.
In his letter to me, Sheets bragged that he recently did a nothing-down purchase. I asked for the address and name of the lender. No response.
Sheets letter says he has been a full-time real estate investor for nearly 29 years. The phrase full-time real estate investor catches my eye. Such people are rare. Most of the real-estate millionaires I know only do it part-time. Its kind of the nature of real estate: part business and part investment. Sheets partner Mark Holocek admitted to me that Sheets now spends less than 40 hours per week on real estate investment, but thats all he does. Well, except for appearing in infomercials.
In his letter to me, Sheets claimed, I...am buying, selling and rehabbing property on a weekly basis. I asked him for the addresses of the properties he had bought, sold, or rehabbed in the last three months. No response.
Why would a guru brag to me about his purchases, sales, and rehabs, then refuse to provide addresses, especially when he ought to know I am going to tell my readers about it? It cant be privacy. All real estate transactions, including lenders, are publicly recorded. Rehab generally requires a building permit, which is also public. Some gurus refuse to provide addresses because they simply did not do the deals at all; others, because there is something about the deal which would embarrass them. I do not know Sheets motivation for not responding to my request for addresses and a lender name. I encourage FL readers to try to track down his deals and tell me about them.
I have listed every property I ever owned in the about-the-author section of this Web site. My book How to Buy Real Estate for at Least 20% Below Market Value contains 166 actual case histories and includes the address of the property in question whenever the investor gave me permission to do so. I also include property addresses as well as investor names and phone numbers in my newsletter articles whenever the investor lets me. Whenever a guru brags about a deal, ask him for an address so you can check it out. If he refuses to provide the address, leave.
I am told by someone other than Sheets that he is one of another rare breed. He is not a self-employed guru. Rather he has some sort of partnership or independent contractor relationship with the guys who actually promote and sell the Carleton Sheets home-study course. If thats the case, he may be able to invest most of the time, but not full-time. I guarantee you that no guru who owns and runs his own guru business has time to also invest full-time.
As I said in my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist article, Gurus get the same 24-hour days as you. Being an expert takes time. They have to read many trade journals, loose-leaf services, and books to keep up to date. They have to spend hours on the phone interviewing sources for their articles and books and hours in the library researching legal cases and other relevant facts.
As experts, gurus get interviewed by the media on the phone and in radio and TV studios and they make speeches to investors.
Although Sheets prices seem relatively low, once you order you will find that you are repeatedly pressured to buy more expensive products. His inexpensive products are deliberately left vague and incomplete to get you to buy more expensive products. Heres an email I got from one of Sheets customers about attempts to sell him other things. Here are other emails about Sheets.
A couple of people have told me they made a lot of money in real estate because of Sheets. I don't believe it. I have read a considerable portion of his material and have yet to find any ideas that would lead to anyone making money.
At worst, the people who have contacted me are simply shills who are lying. At best, they are sincere people who did, in fact, get into real estate and make money, but they are erroneously attributing their success to Sheets. If you truly think Sheets advice made you money, please tell me which one of Sheets books gave you the ideas you used to make money, and the page and line numbers of the idea or ideas in question. I suspect that if any of these people are sincere, they will be surprised to find that they cannot cite a single specific piece of Sheets advice that helped them, other than his general statement that you can make money in real estate. [Note: This request has been on this site for many months. I have yet to hear from a single investor who can point to a quote in a Sheets book and say it made him money.]
The real-estate world has long been inhabited by thousands of successful people who got into real estate because of some bogus guru, could not make money with the guru ideas they had so expensively purchased, but ended up discovering other, legitimate ways to make money in real estate on their own. Most of these folks are intelligent enough to recognize that they were taken by the guru and succeeded more in spite of him than because of him. But a small percentage of people are sufficiently dimwitted and easily manipulated that they retain their love for their guru long after they should have noticed that his stuff really did not work and they actually made their money using a different approach.
I am bemused to note that some spell checkers suggest replacing Carleton with charlatan. Is that a mechanical result of the similarity of the two wordsor is a guy in the spellchecking company an unhappy customer?
A person who attended a Russ Whitney seminar deliberately gave a particular misspelling of his name to the Whitney registration clerk. Later, he received a mail solicitation with that same misspelling from Carleton Sheets.
On 5/3/09, I got an email from a woman who made the mistake of giving Sheets organization her name and phone number. She says it now seems like they call her every other day trying to pressure her into paying $1,995 for “mentoring.”
Click here to read my review of his book. I found it to be a mixture of good and bad advice. In general, it contained the same stuff that is in the run-of-the-mill real-estate-investment seminar for laymenlook for motivated sellers, put the phrase or assigns in contracts, etc. I recall no Shemin idea that I have not seen dozens of times elsewhere.
When I visited it years ago, the Web site for this course or whatever it is had, in white letters on a white background, the following:
Carleton Sheets Don Lapre no money down Wade Cook foreclosures Carlton Sheets Carleton Sheets is OK, but there is a low-cost, more powerful alternative... Carleton Sheets Real Estate Carleton Sheets Real Estate Carlton Sheets Real Estate
The use of such invisible words at a Web page is dishonest. See item # 19 of my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist. Note that I do not have a persons name here for my rating. The Web site for this whatever does not list the name of a single human being or company except for the ones he, she, they claim he, she, they are better than, like Carleton Sheets. Thats strange. A visitor to this page tells me Bill Vaughn is the author.
This Web site has a logo that says Registered Safer Shopping Site ePublic Eye. A number of readers have noted that logo appearing on other sites of gurus I do not recommend. Apparently, that organization has far lower standards than I.
On 1/26/05, I got an email purportedly from Chuck Hall, Administrator, IntelliBiz. It says that my statement that they have the above words in white letters on a white background is a lie. Accordingly, I changed the tense of the first sentence in this review to the past tense. I have not checked their Web site recently. I guarantee that the above statement about white-on-white words was accurate when I first wrote it.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
I have been told repeatedly that he is a very entertaining speaker. So if you want to learn how to be a very entertaining speaker, catch his act. With regard to his real estate investment advice, compare what he says and does to my Real Estate B.S. Artits Detection Checklist. For me to review him in more detail, someone needs to give me a publication he has written.
Click here to read my review of the book he co-authored, The Millionaire Next Door.
A visitor to this site tells me Stefanchik was associated with Larry Pino whom I do not recommend. That visitor also said Stefanchik had a $7,000 seminar and a $600 course. $7,000 is too much for a seminar. See my article on expensive seminars, "boot camps," and "mentoring" services. $600 is probably too much for a course. I'd have to see it to be sure.
I called to confirm those prices. Although the woman answered the phone, "Stefanchik Organization," she claimed not to know the prices of anything except their $19.95 book and video tape and made no offer to find out. I do not know what Stefanchik does, but many sellers of high-priced seminars and courses market them via high-pressure telephone salespeople who are on commission. A visitor to this site tells me Stefanchiks Financial Mastery course costs $2,995 and that his Business Coaching course costs $1,495.
A reader loaned me his Wealth Without Boundaries book. I saw no problem with it. It should be noted that paper is outside my area of expertise. It appeared to be a book that would sell for $15 to $20 in a book store.
In August, 2004, the Federal Trade Commission sued Stefanchik, The Beringer Corporation, Scott B. Christensen, and Atlas Marketing, Inc. The suit alleges that the defendants made false and unsubstantiated earning claims and told consumers they would get a coach who was experienced in mortgage paper transactions who would be readily available to them. Apparently the coaches did not always have such experience and were not always available to customers.
On January 3, 2005, U.S. District court Judge Ricardo Martinez of the Western District of Washington issued a preliminary injunction. It prohibits Stefanchik and Beringer from making false and unsubstantiated earnings claims about their program and from making false claims that their program coaches have substantial experience in the paper business and are readily available to assist consumers. You can read about this at http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2005/01/stefanchik.htm. Also, I have posted the government stuff at www.johntreed.com/Stefanchik.html in case the government takes it off their Web site in the future.
See also the mention of Stefanchik under Ted Thomas.
Here is an email I got about Stefanchik:
Dear Mr. Reed,
In the last year and a half, I have tried to find a way to increase my income as a retired person, and answered many flyers promising untold riches from work at home programs. One of the companies I responded to was John Stephanchik's. I received a video and some printed matter for I think $24.95. Of course the video made it seem as easy as frying eggs. When I called their 800 number a skilled salesman responded, and in asking many of his very obvious questions, he would use the phrase,"Wouldn't you agree?", one would have to be an idiot not to. When he reached the bottom line, the price of the program was about $5,000 or $7,000 to which I said, "No, thank you." He then started to lower the price to $3,000, then $1000, $700, $500, and I think when the conversation ended he was down to $250. Somewhere during the conversation he used the phrase OPM - other people's money, meaning to borrow on a credit card to pay for something, initially, then to make enough money to pay off the credit card.
About six months later I responded to Michael Warren's Easy Money From Bad Debts. Again I received a video, and a booklet promoting his Judgement & Lien program. Again I called the 800 number and spoke with what seemed like the same person from the Stephanchik's organization. The voice seemed familiar, and he also kept using the phrase, "Wouldn't you agree?" after making very obvious statements.
In our conversation, he said you would only need about three pieces of paper to use for assigning the judgements over to yourself. He told me he was going to give me some telephone numbers where I could order several very low interest rate credit cards to make balance transfers to, in order to give me more time to make money using the program. Because we are going to use OPM to pay for it. He was very skilled and smooth in his logic and salesmanship. He knew the right buttons to press, (I think, because we had a previous conversation six months earlier). When he told me the price of the program was $3545, it took my breath away. He said for that amount I would be getting a personal counselor to walk me through the program step by step. I then gave him my credit card numbers, and he said there could be no refund once I made the purchase. I am not a naive or stupid person, but the pressure I felt at the time, by this skilled, smooth talking salesman, named Randy did not allow for the presence of mind to say, I would like to think about it for a couple of days. Three weeks later the three package course arrived and I proceeded to listen to the six audio tapes of nothing but paperwork. It just went on and on and on. The course is very negative, going after dead beat dads for child support, attaching people's bank accounts and property, suspending people's driver's license, garnishing their wages. It was all so very unsavory and negative.
When I called the company to demand my money back, and to return the course. I was given another telephone number to call. When the operator answered the said 'Stephanchik Company'. I said I wanted the Michael Warren Company. "We also handle Michael Warren's business too," she said.. It became obvious to me that Stephanchick and Warren have somehow combined operations. The video came from Salt Lake City, Utah, but the course came from Colorado Springs, Colorado. After several delays, they finally put Randy on the phone to me. He started arguing with me immediately. Saying you haven't even contacted your counselor. Work the business in order to pay for your course. I said I don't want to work the business. Give me your address so I can send back the course. He said, we don't want it, it's your property, it belongs to you.
I called my two banks and initiated disputes of payment to my MasterCard's and, also contacted the District Attorney in Colorado Springs. They told me that there was a suit against Michael Warren in Florida, and to write to the D.A. summarizing my dispute as misrepresentation, and they would see it they can attach it to the same suit in Florida.Alas, they could not. Michael Warren never responded to the dispute after 45 days, and my bank credited my account for the money.
I found you website, alas too late, but I appreciate your efforts and investigation of the dubious offers that come to people as scurrilous scams and deceitfulness. Could you tell me where I might obtain your BS Detector?
You have my permission to use my letter in part or in entirety.
Very sincerely yours, Peter Filancia
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. I got an email from a very unhappy customer of Steigers. He basically did not think what he got was worth anywhere near what he paid. I assume Steiger has a different opinion, but since there were no factual allegations, I have not asked him about it.
He wrote a book on real estate investment with Spencer Strauss. See my review of it here.
He wrote a book on real estate investment with Martin Stone. See my review of it here.
Too expensive. I wonder why anyone thinks they need "home buyer training" that costs thousands of dollars when people have been buying homes for hundreds of years without it. There is already a whole industry to help you buy homes. They are called Realtors®, mortgage brokers, title insurers, and so forth. If you want to learn how to buy cheap, as they imply they will teach you, you should study books like my How to Buy Real Estate for at Least 20% Below Market Value. It costs $39.95, not the $2,995 these guys want. There are also a few other useful books by other authors on foreclosures and such.
I think $1,025 is too much for training videos. See my article on expensive stuff. See point number 8 on my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist for my opinion of companies that offer to finance your real estate deals and point number 20 for my opinion of companies that use words like "success" in their company name or product name.
Success magazine filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in May of 1999.
Has a formula for investing in the 1970s. I reviewed his book for my newsletter. Here is the review.
Commercial real estate broker in Albuquerque, NM and author of the book, Real Estate Exchange and Acquisition Techniques. Great book. Unfortunately it's now out-of-print and out-of-date. Tappan is the first I know of to include court citations in a book for laymen. I followed his example in my book, Aggressive Tax Avoidance for Real Estate Investors.
Mr. Landlord Some good information , some incorrect information. Too gimmicky for my taste. He offers so many special deals and free trials on his newsletter that I wonder if anybody ever pays for it. I got a bunch of mail from his readers once. Oddly, much of it came in envelopes that were recycled. For example, electric company bill envelopes with the electric company return address crossed out and my name and address written on the window. Many wanted to know what specials I offered. Strange group.
Last I heard, Thomas was a pre-foreclosure and discount lien release guru. Now hes touting tax liens. I have not seen his tax lien stuff.
I like many of Teds ideas. Hes a smart guy who has been around. He went bankrupt apparently as a result of being a syndicator in the 80s. However, he gave me inaccurate information on a deal I interviewed him about. Two of my readers attended a seminar he gave and did not care for his approach. I know a guy who went into a venture with him and was very unhappy with Ted. Teds books contain some stuff I disagree with, like having the previous owner of a property you buy write to the mortgage lender saying he lost his payment book and requesting a new one. In these cases, the new owner of the property is buying subject to a nonassumable mortgage and trying to keep the sale secret to avoid triggering the due-on-sale clause.
His basic approach to pre-foreclosures and discount lien releases as reported in my newsletter and my 20% Below Market Value book is good. But he keeps doing things that embarrass me so I am reluctant to recommend him in a general sense.
Here is an email I received from a visitor to this page:
I am the one who started the ball rolling that eventually led to the Jefferson Institute (Utah) going under. Ted Thomas was teaching his foreclosure course there for something like $2750, in conjunction with JI. After I got back home, I tried his course and followed what it said to do and I found it to be a big rip off. I had to amend it to do my own thing out of it (I've been a CA real estate broker since 1971).
I wrote and complained and and also wrote or called every single one of the 100 attendees of that Ted Thomas course. The Jefferson Insititute got me my money back and gave me a free ticket to attend John Stephanchik's trust deed course. They obviously were receiving all kinds of demands for refunds after my calls and letters (pre-e-mail, obviously in 1991.) Shortly thereafter JI went chapter 7. I really don't know if Ted Thomas was affected by it.
By the way, I had to amend Stephanchik's teachings too in order to do the trust deed buying and selling. I did all right with it afterwards. When I made some calls to JS to ask questions, I did get the runaround from his office in upstate (or outside of NYC) New York. Since I did not pay for the course, I didn't pursue it any further.
Thurston is first and foremost a salesman. A subscriber to my newsletter said he spent all of a recent speech by Thurston taking notes on his salesmanship, none on real estate. Thurston made a sell-stuff-in-the-back-of-the-room speech in February of 1999 in which his main claim to fame was that he used to hang around with Robert G. Allen.
A visitor to this site was kind enough to loan me a copy of Thurston's Fair But Firm Landlording Techniques. Its not bad, but as I read it, I found myself thinking that parts of it were taken from my book How to Manage Residential Property for Maximum Cash Flow and Resale Value. Sure enough, he recommends the first edition of my book in the bibliography. He also recommends Leigh Robinson's Landlording, which no doubt inspired his title. You ought to read my book and Leighs, but there is far less reason to buy Thurston's overpriced effort.
Here are the problems I have with it. It triggers the following items on my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Check List: 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, and 20. When he paraphrases my book, you get a lame, nine-year old version of what I said. Why not get the current, complete fifth edition, which I sell for just $23.95 plus shipping?
The only reason to read Thurstons book is that he relates some personal war stories which obviously are not in my book or Leigh Robinson's Landlording book. He also has an occasional trick, like using a silent (to human ears) dog whistle to locate secret dogs in your rental units.
I do not disagree with much of what he says. But then I do not disagree with much of what Leigh Robinson or I said in our books and Thurston seems to have benefited greatly from reading them. Most of my complaints with his book fall under the category of OK-as-far-as-it-goes-but-it-doesn't-go-very-far. Occasionally, he says something that is dead wrong. For example, he says you should lower your standards in a soft market. No way. You lower your rent in a soft market, never your standards. That advice is penny-wise and pound foolish, not to mention short-sighted.
I would recommend the book weakly if he sold it for a fair price, but I will not recommend it when he charges a bunch and forces you to buy it with cassettes which restate the same material.
Titus was disbarred by Virginia on 9/28/05 for overdrafts in escrow and trust accounts under his care. See http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/titus-touch-fbi-investigating-popular-lawyer-and-asset-protection-guru.
He was prosecuted for mail fraud, wire fraud, and other crimes, convicted, and sentenced to 30 years in federal prison on 4/15/10.
I recommend Trump’s book Art of the Deal although it is about institutional (huge) properties and development so it is only partially helpful to individual real estate investors (purchase, renovation, and sale of small, existing properties) and beginners. I have also seen some episodes of the Apprentice and was generally impressed with the way Trump handled himself and dealt with his subordinates.
Trump’s publisher asked me to contribute to a forthcoming book of his on “the best real estate advice I ever got.” I sent in a contribution, but I later withdrew it because I started seeing ads that showed Trump speaking with Robert Kiyosaki and Tony Robbins (he is not real estate but I commented about him in my rating of Marshall Reddick above) and because I heard that the real estate guy at Trump’s University is Dolf De Roos.
I do not recommend other speakers who are associated with Trump.
A number of readers have commented to me along the lines that Trump is the gold standard of real estate investment. I disagree. He is a somewhat successful (one company of his went bankrupt) developer of commercial properties in Manhattan and now branching out into some other cities. He is also perhaps the most prominent commercial developer in the nation becaues of his use of his name on most of his properties; his focus on landmark properties like office buildings, hotels, condos, and casinos rather than less glamourous properties like industrial buildings or garden apartments; his TV series; his marriages; and other activities that draw media attention. Trump is a celebrity real estate developer. If there is a top real estate investor, it is more likely a guy who never put any of his companies into bankruptcy like Sam Zell or Tom Barrack whom Fortune named “The World’s Greatest Real Estate Investor” in its 10/31/05 issue.
Trump wrote a book called Why We Want You to Be Rich with Robert Kiyosaki. Click here for a review of it by one of my readers.
Trump's assistant, George Ross, wrote Trump Strategies for Real Estate. Click here for a review.
On 8/26/13 AP reported:
New York's attorney general sued Donald Trump for $40 million, saying the real-estate mogul helped run a phony Trump University that promised to make students rich but instead steered them into expensive and mostly useless seminars and failed to deliver promised apprenticeships.
In response, Trump’s people said they provide, “11,000 testimonials to Mr. Schneiderman [NY Attorney General] from students praising the program” and said 98% of students in a survey termed the program "excellent."
That may be misleading. It is a standard tactic in the sleazy real estate investment seminar business to promise a certificate suitable for framing upon completion, to require filling out an evaluation form of the seminar to get the certificate, and to require that you hand the evalutation of the instructor to the same instructor at the end of the seminar in order to get your certificate. Most people would want to at least get the certificate and do not have the love of confrontation required to slam the instructor accurately on a piece of paper then hand to him face-to-face. The sleazy real estate gurus know this then, when you try to get your money back, they use the evaluation you signed against you in court. Sleazy real estate investment gurus do not seem to be that expert about real estate, but they are absolute geniuses when it comes to peventing you from successfully suing to get your money back and evaluations from people who wore reluctant to criticize the instructor to his face are key to that.
I should think it would not be hard to get former students to testify to what I just said, altohugh their having done the evaluation hurts their credibility a bit. The guru’s attorney should ask them if they ever put the Trump certificate on public display or cited it in a mortgage application or investment presentation attesting to their expertise in real estate investment.
I do not know the circumstances of how Trump per se got his 11,000 evaluations, but what I have just described is standard practice among the bad gurus.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Dennis Ginty at (614) 644-9564
or Denise Lee at (614) 644-7115
SUSPENSION ORDER CONFIRMED AGAINST
WESTHAVEN GROUP, LLC, HAVEN HOLDINGS, LLC, AND JOHN F. ULMER
(Columbus) -- The Ohio Department of Commerce Division of Securities issued final orders today confirming the November 21, 2005 suspension order against Westhaven Group, LLC (“Westhaven”), Haven Holdings, LLC (“Haven Holdings”), and John F. Ulmer.
The confirmation permanently suspends the right of the respondents to buy, sell or deal in securities issued by Westhaven. Further, today’s action officially finds that Westhaven, Haven Holdings, and John F. Ulmer sold unregistered securities, made false representations in the sale of securities, and engaged in securities fraud.
The Division also finds that Westhaven, Haven Holdings and John Ulmer assured Westhaven investors that their investments were secured by real estate, when in fact some were not. The Division finds that of the 336 promissory notes sold between November 21, 2002 and June 22, 2005, 77 were not secured by real estate and 53 were not properly recorded with the appropriate county recorder’s office. In addition, 48 notes were assigned mortgages valued at less than the face amount of their note.
As part of the confirmation order, the Division finds that Westhaven, Haven Holdings and John Ulmer failed to disclose to investors that:
Westhaven has not been profitable for at least the past three years,
New investor funds have been used to repay the principal of previous investors,
Former Investment Manager Roger Morr was convicted of grand theft, a third-degree felony, in Lucas County Common Pleas Court on October 23, 2003. (Morr had sold at least $140,000 in phony, non-existent, allegedly FDIC-insured certificates of deposit to eight investors, including customers of First Federal Savings and Loan Association of Delta, Ohio. At the time, Morr was the financial institution’s branch manager.) The Division finds that Morr informed Westhaven, Haven Holdings and John Ulmer of his conviction and prison time during his job interview with Westhaven, and
The $10 million life insurance policy securing payment of the outstanding balance of the notes in the event of John Ulmer’s death could not cover the approximately $26 million in outstanding notes.
Westhaven, Haven Holdings, and John Ulmer, in cooperating with the Division, consented to the confirmation of the suspension order and do not admit or deny the findings against them. Legal counsel for Anthony R. Garzony and Roger A. Morr, who were also named in the Division’s suspension order, have indicated to the Division that their clients intend to consent to the confirmation of the suspension order. As a result, the confirmation or revocation hearing that was continued to December 13 and then December 14 has been cancelled.
Scot F. Ulmer’s legal counsel has requested a continuance to the confirmation or revocation hearing to provide additional time to prepare for a hearing. A date for his hearing has not yet been scheduled. The November 21, 2005 suspension order against Scot Ulmer remains in effect.
To see this on the Ohio Department Commerce Web site click here.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
I almost never visit Vaughan’s Web site, Creative Real Estate Online. I think it’s a good idea and I’m glad it exists, but as a real estate investment information writer, there are several problems with my hanging around there. Mainly, I sell the sort of information that persons who contribute to CRE give away for free. Also, I frequently answer a question with, “Read my book or article on that subject.” Such answers are verboten on CRE. No free advertising. The alternative to that answer is for me to rewrite the requested info in email form. That would be time-consuming and not conducive to my paying my mortgage.
The group has published some negative comments about me, which is fine, except a couple of them have been factual in nature and inaccurate. One such comment, made by Vaughan herself, honked me off greatly. She has since apologized to me for the error. I overreacted to two early libelous statements about me at CRE. Some CRE people sent me emails saying I was making a fool of myselfthat the individual who posted the message in question was a known jerk whom no one paid any attention to. Bill Mencarow, guru of Papersourceonline.com, another real estate news group (devoted to investing in and brokering notes) told me he once engaged in a lengthy debate with a news group contributoruntil several people sent him emails saying the consensus was that the guy he was debating was 12.
Someone on that site impersonated me and and made it look like I made an inaccurate comment about Nothing Down author Bob Allen. I was also impersonated again in July of 2000.
I disagree with their policy of not screening comments or requiring commenters to identify themselves. Vaughan says everybody knows who everyone is, disguised names or not, on the Group I portion of the Web site. Glad to hear that, although I cannot see how it can be true of new users. Group II is the one where people have impersonated or libelled me. According to Vaughan, the Group II portion of the site was created to get all the newbies, who mainly want to know if Carleton Sheets, et al are good, away from the serious discussion. I generally do not feel welcome at the Group II section either. They tend to be followers of the gurus I criticize, so my participation there would likely deteriorate into a shouting match.
Vaughan also say that they sweep through the site daily checking the new postings for things that should not be thtere for violating the rules of the group. And they have always been good about quickly removing inaccurate comments about me or impersonations of me.
The site appears to have some useful comments from good people. But they are mixed in with impersonators, shills who are praising themselves or an associate without disclosing their connection to the guru being praised, shills who condemn competitors without disclosing that conflict of interest, “cultists” who believe certain gurus can do no wrong, and just plain dummies who do not know what they are talking about. Vaughan allows all this as free of speech. Her site reminds me of the bar scene in Star Wars: some normal people there, but a lot of weirdos and outlaws, too. It is also like a cocktail party where invitations are not necessary and many of the guests are wearing ski masks. Vaughn filed suit against one outlaw after spending $20,000 tracking him down. “Buyer beware” is an ancient legal admonition. In view of the lawless nature of Internet news groups, “Web site visitor beware” is also good advice.
A story in the 6/29/98 San Francisco Chronicle was titled “Investors Beware in Internet Chat Rooms.” It was mainly about stock-market rooms but applies to real-estate-investment news groups like Vaughan’s as well. Among the problems they listed:
The Chronicle article described “...their value as an investment tool seems negligibleto put it politely. Chat rooms, it seems, serve mainly as group-therapy sessions for people who are in the market and nervous about it.” I would add that they also give a Cheers bar-stool-like platform to the legions of Cliff Clavens who need to try to trick people into thinking they are knowledgeable.
In July of 2000, a person posted a message at CRE Online posing as me. I got a bunch of angry emails denouncing it, but only three apologies when I explained that I had not posted it. I sent a two-sentence form email to each of the people who denounced me in emails I received. About half bounced because their email addresses were phony. I have often thought that Creative Real Estate Online was a classic example of the blind leading the blind. A more accurate description would be: Creative Real Estate Online, where the anonymous debate the fake with the phony under the watchful eye of the gullible. Vaughan tells me the Group I discussions are much better. I have only seen the Group II and those only on a few occasions.
Because of the almost total lack of quality control on the postings at Creative Real Estate Online Group II, it can be the real estate Internet equivalent of the Jerry Springer Show at times. The 2/19/01 Forbes ASAP had a pertinent comment. Jade Beetle, was a “guide” (high-ranking volunteer) at AOL and met her husband as a result. She is now part of a class action suit alleging that AOL’s thousands of “volunteers” were actually employees and should have been paid or paid more than just $19.95 worth of free AOL service per month. She says, “Most of the volunteers are emotionally starved in some way.” As far as real estate investors go, the successful ones are generally very busy and I have trouble imaging them spending much time at news groups. They would use the Net for research, but I would be surprised if they devoted much time to providing free advice.
I suspect the best use of such groups is to ask for referrals. I also found them useful for getting a big picture impression of certain real estate investment gurus. By reading a bunch of postings about a guru, you can get a general idea of the nature and quality of his services. I have been told by people I repect that there is much good advice at CRE Group I. I don’t doubt it, but the key question, especially for novices, is which of the advice is good. When someone identifies himself, you can use his or her reputation to tell if they give good advice. But with anonymous postings or handles, you really have no idea. Which takes me back to referrals. If the anonymous, as a group, refer you to the non-anonymous, you are probably better off for the referral. But taking advice from anonymous individuals strikes me as a course of action that simply cannot be recommended by definition.
[See my reflections on maintaining this Web page for my thoughts on these behavior patterns.]
On 3/9/01, a visitor to my site said I am currently on CRE online in a debate about Russ Whitney. For the record, I have not posted any message on CRE online in 2001. If there are message there purporting to be from me they are written by imposters.
I wish Vaughan and CRE well. Real estate news groups are new media that need to evaluate their strengths and weaknesses and evolve accordingly. We are still in the early stages of that evolution.
I previously stated here that Mr. Vaughn does not mentor persons in his mentoring service. He sent me an email stating that he mentors about 25% of them. My incorrect impression came from his advertising, which said mentoring customers would be assigned to a qualified professional personal advisor who is well versed in real estate investing. I assumed that he would make sure customers knew that he was one of the mentors if in fact he was.
If I understand Vaughn correctly, he says he can provide an unlimited mentoring service for 5,200 clients for just $44.95 because he and his colleagues are not trying to make any money on the mentoring, some people pay then never call, and almost all are weaned within two or three months. I suspect that when you charge $44.95 rather than $2,500, mentoring customers feel less need to call repeatedly to get their money's worth. But I continue to point out that a profit-seeking mentor worth listening to ought to cost at least $100 per hour. At that rate, a mentoring service that costs only $44.95 could only make a profit if it limited customers to $44.95/$100 = .45 of an hour or 27 minutes total worth of mentoring---less if they have any overhead or expenses. He tells me they made a profit of just $2,400 in 1999.
Vaughn says his Web site has been certified as a Safe Shopping Site by The Public Eye, an Internet consumer watchdog group. I have never heard of that organization.
Vaughn told me, I must admit, however, that you are pretty close to the mark on some of your reviews.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru. Review of his book How to Buy and Sell Apartment Buildings
Claimed to be a Vietnamese boat person. Surrounded himself with bikini-clad babes in TV infomercials. I am not sure how babes relate to real estate investment. Was he implying you can afford prostitutes after you get rich using his course? Or were the babes gold diggers which you will attract because of your net worth? His approach to advertising is so sleazy I wonder why anyone asks me about this guy.
Here is an email I received about Vu:
I wish that internet had been around ten years earlier. I bought many books and tapes from many speakers. One of them was Tom Vus course. After I bought the course for about $395.00, I realized that I had been had. The information was just basic that most reasonable real estate books you get from the library would have. Some of the information were worthless. I kept some old courses, but I threw Tom Vus course away long ago because its zero value. This web site is a valuable one that any real estate investor should read. mnnguyen49@ hotmail.com
Click here for another longer, excellent email about Vu and real-estate gurus in general.
He sent me a post card advertising his "Making Money From Bad Debts Boot Camp." I like that subject. But the post card did not state the cost, which usually means it is so high that the guru feels he has to get you into the clutches of a salesperson before he reveals it. A visitor to my site says Warrens course is $595 with $100 off if you sign up at the promo speech.
The post card also had four testimonials. He only gave the initials, no names or cities. Providing only the initials of testimonial givers triggers item #21 in my B.S. Artist Detection checklist. I thought it was interesting that one testimonial was by a person whose initials were actually B.S.
Warren is one of the guys who offers to invest in your deals. Thats item # 8 in my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist.
I have heard from at least one Warren customer, Jack Larkin, who is extremely unhappy with Warren. Here is an email exchange concerning Larkin and Warren. Contact him and/or Warren for details of the dispute. There has been some information about him at papersourceonline.com, too.
There is also an email about Warren under the Stefanchik heading above.
On the first weekend in March, 2003, I got a blizzard of emails telling me that Warren had been arrested for securities fraud, theft, and racketeering (People v. Michael T. Warren, Div. 03 Case No.: 03CR0793 Colorado Fourth District). If convicted on all counts, he could get 36 years. Trial reportedly has been postponed to February or March, 2005.
Here is an email I sent in 2007 and the answer I got:
I am told you can confirm or tell me where to get confirmation that Michael T. Warren pled guilty to 15 counts of fraud. I would appreciate it if you would tell me how to get the confirming documents so I can write about this at my real estate guru rating page where I previously reported his indictment. (http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html#anchor541182)
John T. Reed
I can only confirm what is public knowledge. Michael Warren did enter a plea of guilty in case 03CR0793, to One Count (1) of Securities Fraud which is a class three felony. The guilty plea was entered on December 20th, 2006, before Judge Robert Lowrey, Fourth Judicial District, State of Colorado. The sentencing on this case is set for September 4th, 2007. There are no documents because this was not a written plea. I hope this answers your questions, if not feel free to contact me and I will try and help you.Dena Peck, Investigative Paralegal
Economic Crime Division
Fourth Judicial District Attorney's Office
I do not like the name of this organization. The good gurus generally do not choose such names. See my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Check List for a discussion of how bad gurus reveal themselves by such things as emphasizing the benefits of wealth rather than real-estate information. Their Web site entry pages are chock a block full of words and phrases that I see over and over in material put out by sleazy gurus.
Some of the articles at this site were written by guys I recommend. Many were written by guys I give a neutral recommendation to. In other words, the authors are generally not as into get-rich-quick hype as the site owners. The home page has a picture of a treasure chest overflowing with gold and jewels.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
Click here to read my review of his program.
Because Russ Whitney sued me in June of 2002, I have created a separate Web page that leads to many other Web pages I have created about Whitney. Click here to go there.
L.A. foreclosure guru convicted on two counts of using a false social security number to obtain more than $600,000 in federally-related mortgages. Sentenced to 18 months in prison. A visitor to this site added the following: Her Bar Number was #74419; suspension date was 4-29-97. Conviction was for violation of 18 USC 1014, Felony, false Social Security number on a loan application, and for 42 USC 408 (a) (7) (b). He said she was not a saint, but that the government s prosecution was questionable. He did not say why. I asked him that and why she used an alias in her seminar business.
Here is an email I received:
John, I thought you might be interested in the following. It was published in the Attorney Discipline section of this month's edition of the California Bar Journal, which is the official publication of the State Bar of California.
IONE YOUNG GRAY [#74491], 54, of Los Angeles was suspended for five years, stayed, placed on four years of probation with a four-year, six-month actual suspension, and was ordered to take the MPRE. Credit towards the actual suspension will be given for an interim suspension which began April 29, 1997. The order took effect Sept. 20, 2001. Gray was convicted in 1997 of two counts of making false statements on a loan application and two counts of fraudulent use of a Social Security number, all felonies involving moral turpitude. The convictions were the result of knowingly making material false statements in documentation she submitted in support of two loan applications. She provided a false name and Social Security number and misstated her monthly earnings. While suspended for nonpayment of bar dues, Gray accepted three cases for clients. She made three court appearances, filed a complaint and motions, and requested a continuance of a trial date. She stipulated that she committed acts of moral turpitude. In mitigation, she made her loan payments on time and the bank suffered no monetary loss as a result of her actions. There was no order of restitution.
Wood was a paper (seller mortgages) seminar guru. He reportedly persuaded his seminar students to give him $4 to $6 million to invest in second mortgages. Instead, he used some of it to pay phony returns to later investors. Using the principal of early investors to pay phony returns to them and later investors is called a Ponzi Scheme after Charles Ponzi, the first to receive great publicity for using the scheme. Wood reportedly put the rest of the investors money into his own accountsoffshore. When he avoided investors or told them unbelivable stories explaining why he could not give them their money back, they forced him into involuntary bankruptcy. He stopped making payments on his $500,000 Las Vegas mortgage and was presumably about to flee the country when he was shot dead in front of his house.
Probate guy. Use my Real Estate B.S. Artist Detection Checklist to evaluate this guru.
On 10/9/07, some blogger posted the following:
Without much fanfare, John T Reed has initiated a subtle (but I think welcome) change to his guru ratings system. Under the old system, a guru was either recommended or not. The vast majority were NOT recommended. ...
Reed response: I have not done anything with that page since I posted an item about the Gatten Trust. Today, I am going to note Bob Bruss’s death. Otherwise, I have neither made such a change nor even thought about it. I do not know what he’s talking about.
John T. Reed